Spoilers Game of Thrones: The Final Season

[DigificWriter]

I can't figure out if people legitimately aren't understanding me or just want to have a reason to argue, because I am saying the exact same thing that everyone else is: Jon's claim supercedes Dany's. The difference seems to be that I'm putting the emphasis as to why his claim supercedes hers on his gender, which people apparently think is wrong.

 

[crookeddy]

The difference seems to be that I'm putting the emphasis as to why his claim supercedes hers on his gender, which people apparently think is wrong.

Yes, they are saying your reasoning for believing what you believe is wrong, even though at the end of the day you are right.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

I can't figure out if people legitimately aren't understanding me or just want to have a reason to argue, because I am saying the exact same thing that everyone else is: Jon's claim supercedes Dany's. The difference seems to be that I'm putting the emphasis as to why his claim supercedes hers on his gender, which people apparently think is wrong.

I'll try to keep it simple.
You are saying that 1+1=3.
Others are saying that 1+1+1=3.
The story has the answer as 3.
You have the right answer, but your math is wrong.

 

[DigificWriter]

How, exactly, is it wrong to put the emphasis on the "male" in the concept of male-preference primogeniture?

 

[EmoBorg]

Daenerys could reinforce her forces with the Seconds Sons. She sorely needs those fighters after losing so many warriors.

 

[Scout101]

How, exactly, is it wrong to put the emphasis on the "male" in the concept of male-preference primogeniture?

Because due to her position in line, her gender is a moot point. She never gets close enough to be disqualified. And you also keep harping on their ages and pretending that has some bearing on any of this.

 

[eschaton]

I came up with an alternate idea on how the Night King should have gone down.

Sam ends up staying with Bran by the Weirwood for reasons (maybe that's where Edd is) and has the Valyrian steel dagger. Theon goes down as planned, and the Night King approaches Sam and Bran. Sam freaks out, backs up a step, trips over a rock and falls into the night king. the Valyrian steel dagger accidentially grazes the Night King, who then crumbles to bits.

 

[Tuskin38]

That's your fault, because you could've fixed the brightness on your TV (assuming you watched it on a TV).

If every other TV show looks fine with my current TV settings, but GoT is dark as all hell, it sounds more like the fault of the show, or the broadcaster.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

If every other TV show looks fine with my current TV settings, but GoT is dark as all hell, it sounds more like the fault of the show, or the broadcaster.

Yeah, this episode is FUBAR. It's like something went wrong in final rendering/post, and they didn't have time to correct it. No amount of excuses will fix it.

 

[Random_Spock]

If every other TV show looks fine with my current TV settings, but GoT is dark as all hell, it sounds more like the fault of the show, or the broadcaster.

Definitely. I've seen other episodes of it where dark scenes are just way too dark.

 

[Black Manta]

If Daenerys believes she's infertile she might just give up the throne to Jon just to keep the family line going.

 

[Skywalker]

Even if Daenerys was a male, Jon's claim would still supercede hers. The son of the firstborn son always inherits before the secondborn son. (Or third, in this case.) The only scenario in which gender would matter is if Daenerys had been born before Rhaegar. And even then, in most past Targaryen successions, a male successor was chosen over a female heir even when the female had the stronger claim through birth. There was even a civil war fought over that exact issue about 170 years before the time of the show.

On an unrelated note, that civil war (the Dance of the Dragons) would make for a great show itself.

 

[Mr Awe]

I can't figure out if people legitimately aren't understanding me or just want to have a reason to argue, because I am saying the exact same thing that everyone else is: Jon's claim supercedes Dany's. The difference seems to be that I'm putting the emphasis as to why his claim supercedes hers on his gender, which people apparently think is wrong.

The reasoning behind your answer is wrong. How do we know? If Dany was a male, Jon's claim would still supersede Dany's. Ergo, gender is not the deciding issue. It's also not age. How do we know? If Dany was a male older than Jon, Jon's claim would still beat Dany's.

 

[Mr Awe]

I came up with an alternate idea on how the Night King should have gone down.

Sam ends up staying with Bran by the Weirwood for reasons (maybe that's where Edd is) and has the Valyrian steel dagger. Theon goes down as planned, and the Night King approaches Sam and Bran. Sam freaks out, backs up a step, trips over a rock and falls into the night king. the Valyrian steel dagger accidentially grazes the Night King, who then crumbles to bits.

There is that possibility because it turns out he is rather fragile. Another thing would've been to use their dragon glass arrows against him.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

I came up with an alternate idea on how the Night King should have gone down.

Sam ends up staying with Bran by the Weirwood for reasons (maybe that's where Edd is) and has the Valyrian steel dagger. Theon goes down as planned, and the Night King approaches Sam and Bran. Sam freaks out, backs up a step, trips over a rock and falls into the night king. the Valyrian steel dagger accidentially grazes the Night King, who then crumbles to bits.

You're making me imagine a show called "Game of Sam". And I kind of like it.

 

[theenglish]

Gender seems to apply with siblings (as with pre-2012 UK) -- otherwise why did Tomin get promoted over Myrcella?

Gendry is still around, so likely has a claim, although likely weaker than Jon Snow's as he's illegitimate (and legality seems to matter more than genetics). I suppose you could argue that now Cerci is Queen, Jamie (and Tyrion) have valid claims.

In all Westerosi kingdoms apart from the Iron Isles (due to the combat ritual) and Dorne, male children take precedence for the throne. This is stated multiple times in the books, if not the series. I believe that it is even stated, possibly during some of the scenes in Dorne, that it is only legal for a woman to be the ruling Queen in Dorne.

I also seem to recall, Jon Snow being fifteen when the books start but I can't find that passage in "A Game of Thrones".

EDIT: I looked it up on the wiki--Daenerys is 13 at the beginning of the first novel. Jon Snow is 14.

In my opinion the novels' timeline moves way to fast for all the traveling over vast distances. In my "head canon" I prefer thinking of the television series as one season equals one year of "game time" as it gives the story a bit more logic in how all of these events have time to actually take place.

 

[crookeddy]

There is that possibility because it turns out he is rather fragile. Another thing would've been to use their dragon glass arrows against him.

The writers explained his death as having happened because he was stabbed with Valerian steel in the exact spot he was stabbed when he was created. So, he really isn't very fragile at all.

 

[BlueStuff]

The writers explained his death as having happened because he was stabbed with Valerian steel in the exact spot he was stabbed when he was created. So, he really isn't very fragile at all.

But Arya stabbed him in the waist; the Children created him by driving dragonglass through his chest.

 

[Kirk Prime]

There's a very cool theory going around about Jon Snow and Arya. It's actually very possible and it would certainly make sense.

Visceron was always close to the Night King. He was keeping Jon Snow from getting to him. If you watch the video again, it looks like Jon saw that Arya was going for it. That is when he was ready to give up his life with Visceron. Right before he was about to make the sacrifice, you can clearly hear him yelling "go go go!"

Some thing he was yelling at Arya, who literally made her move at the exact same moment.

Watch it again--the timing works.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

There's a very cool theory going around about Jon Snow and Arya. It's actually very possible and it would certainly make sense.

Visceron was always close to the Night King. He was keeping Jon Snow from getting to him. If you watch the video again, it looks like Jon saw that Arya was going for it. That is when he was ready to give up his life with Visceron. Right before he was about to make the sacrifice, you can clearly hear him yelling "go go go!"

Some thing he was yelling at Arya, who literally made her move at the exact same moment.

Watch it again--the timing works.

I'll let this article explain why that's a terrible theory.