I guess they didn't read the books.
If they want classic good versus evil, they can read and watch Tolkien (and I say that as huge Tolkien fan).
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If they want classic good versus evil, they can read and watch Tolkien (and I say that as huge Tolkien fan).
I guess they didn't read the books.
I mean, Cercei was introduced in the first episode. The Night King was introduced in...season 4?
Seems pretty clear which one is more important to the arc of the show.
Book Cercei is so fucking incompetent though where we last left her it's hard to see her pulling this off.
I loved it, but it wasn't very good. Very cliche, main characters with invincible plot armour (how the hell did Sam survive under that zombie horde for like 10 minutes?), and a simple, straight-forward plot. That's not what made me fall in love with ASOIF a decade ago. I certainly hope that Martin finishes the books and we get a more subversive ending to the Night King.
With that said, I really don't want to complain. I was totally swept up in the episode and I loved every second of it. I was on the edge of my seat and I barely blinked the entire time.
With that said, I really don't want to complain. I was totally swept up in the episode and I loved every second of it. I was on the edge of my seat and I barely blinked the entire time.
Rewatching it I guess I did miss Arya’s spear moment though I thought the separate spearhead was going to be part of some big moment like say at the end with NK.
I'm pretty sure that GRRM has confirmed that the general thrust of the ending of the books will be the same as the series, even if some of the details are a bit different.
I expect it to be more complicated and better done, but I don't think he'd switch the two around.
The idea that the show was about good versus evil should have been squashed the moment Ned Stark’s head went away.
If all humans united against the dead, won, and then everyone was happy it would not have suited the rest of the show.
The writers kind of wrote themselves into a corner where either killing the Night King had to end the war or the war was unwinnable.
If all humans united against the dead, won, and then everyone was happy it would not have suited the rest of the show.
The writers kind of wrote themselves into a corner where either killing the Night King had to end the war or the war was unwinnable.
Yeah, I feel the same way. Plot armor was very strong in this one and it was blatantly obvious in the final minutes when they only people still barely alive just happened to be Brienne, Jaime, Podrick, Gendry, Grey Worm, Tormund, and Sam, surviving just long enough for some grand miracle. Made the whole thing a bit predictable. I don't mind too much because everything before that moment was so beautifully articulated and because Arya was so damn badass right when she needed to be.
I just watched the extra content after the episode on HBO Now and I'm amused how Benioff and Weiss tried to make people forget about Arya so that when she came flying through the shadows, we would all be shocked. Nope! Even if I hadn't called it a couple episodes back, Arya's absence was foremost on my mind because she's my favorite character and I knew what Melisandre insinuated.
Yup, I absolutely get what you're saying and I felt the same way. One glaring predictable moment in the climax doesn't take away from the incredible achievement of the rest of the episode.
One other angle to consider. The battle was won, the biggest mains lived. But the armies were devastated.
Can Dany still beat Cersei?
She has two dragons and practically none of the army she fought so hard to build.
Can Dany still beat Cersei?
She has two dragons and practically none of the army she fought so hard to build.
I just wish it wasn’t so fucking dark. I know he was the Night King and all, but I really wish I could have seen certain parts of the battle more clearly.
Damn, that was a fantastic episode. Very straightforward of course, with really not very many character deaths and only one real shock in that regard. I called them all except Lyanna, and honestly a little disappointed in that one, but at least she got to go out like an absolute badass. I didn't expect it of course, but it was really pretty awesome seeing old Ser Jorah come to Daeny's rescue like that. So I guess uh... that's pretty rough for the Mormonts and Bear Island huh?
Melisandre was *so* good in this one, and the moment where she lit the trenches and you saw the fire in her eyes... damn. And not her fault that the amazing moment of lighting all the Dothraki swords on fire ended up meaning... absolutely nothing. RIP Ghost, didn't even merit a death moment or corpse apparently.
Really, this whole episode was sometimes hard for me to see what was going on, but also some really gorgeous imagery too.
GOOOOO Arya! What an amazing moment, and she totally deserved it. You fucking go, I loved it. My only complaint is it was... really kind of unfortunate the way that played out? Not the suddenness and unexpected finish, but... I dunno, did we kinda render everything about Bran over the show a little pointless? That whole last minute death and explosion with no lore, no real confrontation... can something be anticlimactic and awesome at the same time?
What a great finish to the show though, damn. Well done everyone.
Oh.. wait. You mean there's still stuff with do with the jackass down at King's Landing? I am rather disappointed that Cersei isn't gonna have to deal with any consequences for sitting out the fucking apocalypse. Everything after this is gonna feel kinda... petty I think.
Of course, the very first scenes were about how humans have these petty squabbles that amount to nothing because the dead are coming for them all.
Melisandre was *so* good in this one, and the moment where she lit the trenches and you saw the fire in her eyes... damn. And not her fault that the amazing moment of lighting all the Dothraki swords on fire ended up meaning... absolutely nothing. RIP Ghost, didn't even merit a death moment or corpse apparently.
Really, this whole episode was sometimes hard for me to see what was going on, but also some really gorgeous imagery too.
GOOOOO Arya! What an amazing moment, and she totally deserved it. You fucking go, I loved it. My only complaint is it was... really kind of unfortunate the way that played out? Not the suddenness and unexpected finish, but... I dunno, did we kinda render everything about Bran over the show a little pointless? That whole last minute death and explosion with no lore, no real confrontation... can something be anticlimactic and awesome at the same time?
What a great finish to the show though, damn. Well done everyone.
Oh.. wait. You mean there's still stuff with do with the jackass down at King's Landing? I am rather disappointed that Cersei isn't gonna have to deal with any consequences for sitting out the fucking apocalypse. Everything after this is gonna feel kinda... petty I think.
Of course, the very first scenes were about how humans have these petty squabbles that amount to nothing because the dead are coming for them all.
That may be kind of the point, I imagine the end to be something pyrrhic.
Yeah, I began thinking that the moment the entirety of the Dothraki hoard was swallowed up into darkness. Not much left of the Unsullied either. So all they have left are the bannermen who didn't show up. Will the fight now? Doubt it.
I know a lot of people had this issue, but I didn't. I treated it like a cinematic feature, turned up the brightness on my laptop, and turned off the lights in my room. Probably helped I had the screen close to me because it was a laptop.
Yeeeaaaahh...that really stings for me, too. But that's how she always survived: Let everyone else kill each other. Even when she destroyed the Septon, it was through manipulating others.
Fingers still crossed that Jaime finally kills her and he becomes Queenslayer, too.
Some favorite lines:
The Hound: We can’t beat them. Don’t you see that you stupid whore? We are fighting death. Can’t beat death.
Tyrion: You might be surprised the lengths I would go to avoid joining the army of the dead. I can think of no organization less suited to my talents.
The Hound: We can’t beat them. Don’t you see that you stupid whore? We are fighting death. Can’t beat death.
Tyrion: You might be surprised the lengths I would go to avoid joining the army of the dead. I can think of no organization less suited to my talents.
One thing I forgot to mention that I really loved: That tender moment shared between Tyrion and Sansa as they were hiding behind a sarcophagus. I don't expect it to lead to anything, but I thought the moment was very sweet.
Any chance Dany will call in what’s his name she left behind because she loved him?
Who? Daario? She did not love him. The other man she loved who was taller was Khal Drogo.
A lot more straightforward (as people have said) than I expected and a lot fewer main character deaths. I am hoping that Bran still has a role to play because this was all about trying to kill him. I'm also hoping we find out what he was doing when he was warging for most of the battle--just taking in the show?
At one point I was expecting Arya to put on a zombie face and disguise herself, but that didn't happen. She was really impressive throughout the episode--I guess she gets the title Kingslayer now?
Also, I am pretty sure we didn't see Gendry at the end, but did we see Podrick?
At one point I was expecting Arya to put on a zombie face and disguise herself, but that didn't happen. She was really impressive throughout the episode--I guess she gets the title Kingslayer now?
Also, I am pretty sure we didn't see Gendry at the end, but did we see Podrick?
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