I was talking more about the fandom in general and not the thread. Seen a lot of senseless bile on Twitter and YouTube.
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I was talking more about the fandom in general and not the thread. Seen a lot of senseless bile on Twitter and YouTube.
I think most people don't even know the actual definition of "Mary Sue." I've seen the term slung around so many times over the years (and that's just on this board) that I ignore anyone who makes this accusation. In most cases, it's just a situation of that person not liking the female character in question and uses the term to put them down.
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I think a lot of guys use it basically to argue it's unrealistic to have a woman ever defeat a guy in hand to hand combat. And I mean, to a certain extent, they're right. Like the top 5% of women in terms of strength are still not as strong as the average man - let alone the top 5% of men. But Arya has specifically trained in styles of fighting that do not rely upon strength. And in order to overpower the wights or Night King, she basically just needs to graze them, not overpower them.
Actually, I've seen it used more for situations when a woman is smarter than a man or a group of men in any given situation. That said, your example is more apropos to this particular case.
Arya being trained as a swordsman and an assassin has been around for the entire series. I can't figure out why people are mad/surprised. I thought having Jon and Daeny being absolutely useless while Arya put her training to work was pretty good.
I would like to see more from Bran in the next couple of episodes. I feel like his character has been mostly useless except for being bait.
I would like to see more from Bran in the next couple of episodes. I feel like his character has been mostly useless except for being bait.
The Valonqar prophecy was the opening scene from season five, no? Or maybe I’m losing my mind.
It was but it was shortened from the books so the word is never mentioned.
Hi Cyrus,
I am a fan of the character but she does not fit most of the criteria. Namely not being of the line of Aerys Targaryen.
For me, Arya killing the Night's King doesn't feel earned. She has zero history with the character and it came out of left field and It didn't really make sense to me thematically. It's like Hawkeye duking it out with Thanos, when it should be Tony Stark in the end.
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As for the Seven Kingdoms (nine regions)
The Westerlands : Team Cersei
The North : Team Daenerys/Snow
Riverlands : Team Daenerys/Snow if the Tullys take charge again.
The Vale : Team Daenerys/Snow
Dorne : currently leaderless but anti Lannister to a certain degree.
Stormlands : leaderless as well but also anti Lannister.
The Reach : Leaderless unless a pro Lannister House is installed there.
The Iron Island : currently divided between Euron's pro Cersei and Yara's pro Daenerys factions.
Crownlands : Pro Lannister.
The Westerlands : Team Cersei
The North : Team Daenerys/Snow
Riverlands : Team Daenerys/Snow if the Tullys take charge again.
The Vale : Team Daenerys/Snow
Dorne : currently leaderless but anti Lannister to a certain degree.
Stormlands : leaderless as well but also anti Lannister.
The Reach : Leaderless unless a pro Lannister House is installed there.
The Iron Island : currently divided between Euron's pro Cersei and Yara's pro Daenerys factions.
Crownlands : Pro Lannister.
Then, to paraphrase Ramsay Bolton, you weren't paying attention.
What history does Arya have with the Night's King? And why is she a better choice thematically, when the set up has been for a confrontation between Jon and The Night's King?
She doesn't need to have history with the Night King; she's been prophesied to be the person to defeat him since Season 3, something that Melisandre reiterated last night.
That's all the 'setup' that was needed.
As far as Jon being set up to be the person to take down the Night King goes, that's why him not being the person to do it is so perfect because the series once again didn't do what people were expecting and instead did something that had been seeded but that a lot of people hadn't realized had been seeded.
Well we knew she was going to kill someone with brown eyes, blue eyes and green eyes, not necessarily that she was destined to kill the Night's King. Regardless, it still didn't work for me.
The "Night's King" is a completely different character who exists only in the books as a figure of legend.
And, again, if you didn't figure out that Melisandre had foretold Arya killing the Night King, you weren't paying attention... especially after the writers hung a giant lampshade on that fact during last night's episode.
It works perfectly for me. The Night King was never destined to be taken down by brute force but by stealth. Only Arya had the training to get close enough to him to kill him.
I think the whole purpose of Arya’s training was to bring down the Night King. Someone was aiming for it behind the scenes. Whoever it was, I think it was the Red Priestesses, they were trying for various options and there were multiple candidates - Stannis, Jon, Daenerys etc
Why was Jaqen H’ghar in the cage going to the Wall? I think it was to get him there to train someone at the Wall for the role. On the way he realised that Arya might be a better candidate than anyone at the Wall so he wanted to study her. In the end he encouraged her to eventually going to Braavos. They said they were training her to be an assassin but they might have been training her for the Night King. That is why they let her go.
Why was Jaqen H’ghar in the cage going to the Wall? I think it was to get him there to train someone at the Wall for the role. On the way he realised that Arya might be a better candidate than anyone at the Wall so he wanted to study her. In the end he encouraged her to eventually going to Braavos. They said they were training her to be an assassin but they might have been training her for the Night King. That is why they let her go.
^ It would have been nice to have made all that rather more clear in the show.
Eh? Why?
It was a great moment and Arya absolutely deserved it, but it also felt a little... disconnected at the same time. Bran, Jon, Daeny, Meera Reed... all had better "claim" to the Night King in terms of how they've been personally affected.
Not taking anything away from Arya herself, it was extremely satisfying. My bigger complaint is how fast it happened and how all the buildup with the Children of the Forest and everything to do with Bran seemed to have not mattered.
Eh? Why?
It was a great moment and Arya absolutely deserved it, but it also felt a little... disconnected at the same time. Bran, Jon, Daeny, Meera Reed... all had better "claim" to the Night King in terms of how they've been personally affected.
Not taking anything away from Arya herself, it was extremely satisfying. My bigger complaint is how fast it happened and how all the buildup with the Children of the Forest and everything to do with Bran seemed to have not mattered.
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