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Game of Thrones 4.2 - "The Lion and the Rose" - Rate and discuss

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Robert Maxwell said:
I will just say that all the clues are there to determine who killed Joffrey.

If you want a hint...

...pay attention to Sansa's necklace.
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I actually was looking very carefully and specifically at the necklace and I didn't see any of the jewels missing. Did it change in a couple of frames and I just didn't see it?

DevilEyes said:
No one has thrown a fit yet and asked people to stop talking about the show, or started a separate book series thread where talk of the show is forbidden.
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Actually, a couple people did throw a ha-UGE conniption over this very thing last year. It was quite rancorous - almost as bad as the TOS-vs-NuBSG arguments in other forums.

And there is the other GoT/ASoIaF thread that specifically says "Spoilers" in the title. Probably going as far back as Season 1, I gather. Likely not the first time there has been a show vs. book feud here.
 
Watch the scene carefully, it had to have been Margery (or her grandmother).

She distracts everyone by saying look here is the pie (it was a red herring for the producers to make us think she is doing that to save Tyrion from kneeling, she had another reason). Then, she takes the wine cup from Joffrey and puts it on the table (look how one of her hands is close to the top of the cup) she is in view of her father and grandmother while everyone else is distracted by the pie coming out. So Joffrey eats the pie then tells his uncle to get him some wine. As Tyrion walks to get the cup and (at the exact moment Joffrey says 'hurry up, the pie is getting dry') you see Margery's arm and hand extended out over the cup. Normally you would just think she is showing Tyrion where the cup is, but she could have slipped something in the cup then as well, or when she put it on the table in the first place (most likely) when everyone was watching Joffrey smash the pie.

Look at the clip of this scene: (specifically at 3:26 then at 4:29)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5ScY2o3rpI

I would rule out Sansa, only because Joffrey drank from the cup after Sansa gave it to Tyrion, and he seemed fine. True, it could have been a slow poison but I doubt it.

IMO, It was Margery, (I have not read the books, just guessing) and her father and grandmother knew what she was doing.
 
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When Grandmother Tyrell is talking to Sansa, you see her hands go over the necklace. She was removing a poison pill disguised as a jewel from it (like the one Stannis' Maester tried to kill Melisandre with) and bringing it with her to her seat.

It was the Grandmother. She either put it in the Goblet when Margaery put it next to her, or gave Margaery the poison pill.
 
^^^ Which would explain why she was the first to jump up and yell "help your King, you idiots!" instantly removing the suspicion from her. I really need to take a look at that scene again and watch it very carefully for these hidden movements.
 
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Savage Dragon said:
You know there is a spoiler code, right?
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We are talking about the episode that has been broadcast and thus events of previous episodes as well. Why use spoiler code when the basis of this thread is to talk about what we just watched??

I agree that spoilers from the books should not be mentioned here obviously, since this is about the show, but everything that has been aired thus far is fair game.
 
Yeah, sorry. I meant Anwar. Leaving a few empty lines isn't the best way of hiding a spoiler IMO.
 
The Theon scenes were strong, Bran's vision was very nicely done, Sansa watching the mock reenactment of the war was poignant, and the big finale was great.
 
DevilEyes said:
Finally, most of the book talk was initiated by someone who claimed that it's not necessary to read the books and that the show is better, even though he hasn't read them, based on what some of his friends told him. It's only natural that this is going to provoke discussion and disagreement.
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Wrong. Here's the quote:

"At one time I planned to read the books when the series had ended. But I've seen too many people, who while liking the books, have complained about the latter books containing way too much filler and padding. And there have been plenty of comments regarding the Tolkien level of detail (and that's not a compliment) regarding clothing and tables of food. It took me years to get through Fellowship Of The Ring because at one point during an early trip through the woods, it felt like Tolkien was describing every single tree.

These folks have complimented the show for cutting out a lot of useless fat and streamlining the story with better pacing."

Show where I "claimed it's not necessary to read the books". I didn't. The best you can infer is that at one time *I* planned on reading the books, but now I'm either not going to, or am undecided.

Show where *I* claimed the show was better. I'll wait.

No, I won't.

Because since I didn't claim that, I'd be waiting for a long time. I didn't make that claim because I haven't read the books and not having read the books I have no basis of comparison to make such a statement. Nor did I say that those fans of the books who complained about filler and padding claim that the show was better. Only that there were two elements of the show that they complimented. That's not saying they were claiming "it's better" than the books.

They weren't complaining about back story, or world building, but needlessly excessive descriptions with an example from Tolkien's work of what "needlessly excessive" constitutes.

Show where I claimed "my friends" told me anything. You won't find the word "friend" in there anywhere. These are comments I've seen on various boards, by various posters and my personal experience with people who've read the books has been that 50% feel this way. Let me repeat that so that I don't have you lying about thing's that I've said again, I speak only of *my personal experience* which is by no means an accurate gauge of the feelings of the totality of book readers.
 
^ :rolleyes:

I'm sure you also want to mention that you didn't put the commas at the places where I said you put them. This is, obviously, all so important for the discussion at hand.
 
The only way that scene could have been better was if Jamie yelled "MY SON!!" in front of everyone. :lol:
 
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