Unlike Sansa, Margaery can't be forced to marry anyone or do anything, the Tyrells are in a position of power.
And there's also the matter of convincing Jaime to leave the Kingsguard so he would be marriageable.
Game of Thrones 4.2 - "The Lion and the Rose" - Rate and discuss
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Unlike Sansa, Margaery can't be forced to marry anyone or do anything, the Tyrells are in a position of power.
And there's also the matter of convincing Jaime to leave the Kingsguard so he would be marriageable.
As a long-time book reader, that's pretty much how I feel about the show. I'm absolutely thrilled that it exists, so that the wonderful story and characters can reach a wider audience, but it'll never have the same depth and detail that the books do.
That it'd become become such a pop culture phenomenon seemed like a pipe dream to me fifteen years ago. I still feel like I'm living in some bizarre alternate reality.
The character. I love the character because he's an asshole.
...because he's a character. Yeah in real life I wouldn't want him as a boss for example, but to watch on TV he's great.
I wish this were real
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In the books she was actually involved in her escape; in the show it's sprung on her at the last second with no participation on her part.
Tyrion is the obvious culprit but If you re-watch the episode I don't believe he would have had the opportunity to poison the wine.
Two other possibilities:
1. When Joeffry kicked the wine glass and Tyrion is unable to retrieve it but Sansa does under the table, Sansa could have switched it with poison in the empty glass.
2. The poison may not have been in the wine at all. It could have been in the pie. Jeoffry was the only person at the wedding to eat the pie.
I didn't understand the opening sequence in relation to the rest of the story and perhaps someone could explain. Who were those people in the woods chasing that woman and why did they want to kill her?
Two other possibilities:
1. When Joeffry kicked the wine glass and Tyrion is unable to retrieve it but Sansa does under the table, Sansa could have switched it with poison in the empty glass.
2. The poison may not have been in the wine at all. It could have been in the pie. Jeoffry was the only person at the wedding to eat the pie.
I didn't understand the opening sequence in relation to the rest of the story and perhaps someone could explain. Who were those people in the woods chasing that woman and why did they want to kill her?
The men were Ramsay Snow and Theon/Reek. The woman with them was Myranda, one of the two who pretended to comfort Theon and then witnessed his castration last season. They were hunting the woman, who used to part of Ramsay's weird little social circle, for sport.
One of Sansa's guards whispered to her, "...time to go for you to be safe," or something to that effect. Why would he do that?
That was the fool, Ser Dontos Hollard, rather than one of the guards. You may recall that last week he thanked her for saving his life and gave her a necklace.
That wasn't one of her guards, it was Ser Dontos, the man whose life she convinced Joffrey to spare back during his name day celebration in Season Two, so Joffrey made him his fool instead. Dontos gave Sansa his family's necklace as a thank you in last week's episode.
ETA: Ninja'd!
That wasn't one of her guards, it was Ser Dontos, the man whose life she convinced Joffrey to spare back during his name day celebration in Season Two, so Joffrey made him his fool instead. Dontos gave Sansa his family's necklace as a thank you in last week's episode.
ETA: Ninja'd!
Gottcha, thank you. I loved this episode and I adore GoT. My only criticism of the series is there are so many characters, so many unique names to remember that at least for me it's sometimes impossible to keep all of them straight and/or remember all of the different interactions.
Second question - the evil queen who believes in the god of the , "light," [err Jesus
] and rejects the multiple gods is named who? I don't understand her motivations either in the series overall.
Two women in that storyline. The queen is Selyse, Stannis' wife and a convert to that religion. The red-haired woman is Melisandre, a priestess of that god who believes Stannis is the savior prophesied in that religion.Second question - the evil queen who believes in the god of the , "light," [err Jesus
At first I thought maybe Cersei poisoned him. But even though she didn't like his decisions, it still seemed like she loved him. Child killing and poisoning may not be out of her realm though.
One idea is that the person who did it is a woman because of the earlier line in the series where Ned said that poison is a woman's weapon. He was corrected by Pycelle to say that it's also the weapon of the craven or of eunuchs, but that may have been a cover because didn't Tyrion lock Pycelle away because he suspected him of the poisoning of Jon Arryn? I'm still not sure who was responsible there, but I thought some of it pointed at Cersei. That may be a misdirect though. I could be wrong, but I'm guessing the two poisonings were affiliated in some way.
I'm thinking because of that earlier line, it is definitely not Oberyn or Tyrion. I wouldn't rule out Pycelle, Varis, or Littlefinger though.
One idea is that the person who did it is a woman because of the earlier line in the series where Ned said that poison is a woman's weapon. He was corrected by Pycelle to say that it's also the weapon of the craven or of eunuchs, but that may have been a cover because didn't Tyrion lock Pycelle away because he suspected him of the poisoning of Jon Arryn? I'm still not sure who was responsible there, but I thought some of it pointed at Cersei. That may be a misdirect though. I could be wrong, but I'm guessing the two poisonings were affiliated in some way.
I'm thinking because of that earlier line, it is definitely not Oberyn or Tyrion. I wouldn't rule out Pycelle, Varis, or Littlefinger though.
Absolutely gripping episode. Not having read the books, the last thing I was ever expecting was Joffrey to die from freakin poisoning! The writers did a fantastic job misdirecting us all episode long into thinking he was going to haul out Tyrion's girlfriend or someone else for a public execution instead.
Of all the potential suspects, Sansa is the one I'd most like it to be, after everything the Lannisters had done to her family. But I can't really see her wanting Tyrion to take the fall for her either.
Of all the potential suspects, Sansa is the one I'd most like it to be, after everything the Lannisters had done to her family. But I can't really see her wanting Tyrion to take the fall for her either.
Same here, although I wasn't sure how I felt about it. It seemed like they were doing the very typical Hollywood buildup of a bully, and that he would get his death by someone he wronged, and brutally. Sort of like how Arya killed the guy that stole Needle. But instead we're given something that's less rewarding from a primal point of view, but is indeed more realistic. And chances are that the poisoning was more calculated than emotional, possibly making it even less rewarding.
Yeah it was definitely a bit unsatisfying on that level. After everything he had done, you really wanted to see Joffrey suffer and die horribly at the hands of someone he had wronged.
But I also really respect the way Martin did it here. Especially when you consider just how crazy and insane the fallout from such an act will be. It just opens up so many more storytelling possibilities than if things had just continued the way they were. So in that way I think it was a pretty inspired move.
But I also really respect the way Martin did it here. Especially when you consider just how crazy and insane the fallout from such an act will be. It just opens up so many more storytelling possibilities than if things had just continued the way they were. So in that way I think it was a pretty inspired move.
If you like spoilers, go Go here to find out who killed Joffrey in the books. I'm sure they'll stay consistent. How it unfolds will be interesting.
Here is a more elaborate explanation of the Plot to kill Joeffry
Here is a more elaborate explanation of the Plot to kill Joeffry