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Game of Thrones 3.9 - "The Rains of Castamere" - Rate and discuss

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teacake said:
And I was still shocked that Caitlyn Tully slit the Frey wife's throat.
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It wasn't with malice toward the wife. It is all she could do.
Caitlyns similar demise was actually a release of sorts--in that it ended greater pain of seeing her family all but destroyed. Poor Starks.
 
^^^ Personally, I thought her choice in hostages was much better here than in the book. IIRC, she held the court jester hostage (Patchface or Butterbumps maybe? Can't remember.) At least, in this version, she chose someone that Walder Frey might have had more of a realistic reluctance to let die and use as a viable leverage to stop the carnage. That made his "I'll get another one" line all that much more shocking (and darkly amusing).
 
Wow that was some ending.:eek:
At this moment I'm feeling more sorry for poor Edmure Tully than Stark.
My computer went a little funny near the end, did they kill Edmure's wife or did they not show her?
 
Both Edmure and the Black Fish were off-screen when the massacre happened, so they are theoretically still around. The Starks may be largely decimated, but the Tullys are still in play.
 
If I remember the book correctly, Cat seized one of Walder's sons or grandsons. I forget his given name, but I believe they called him Jinglebells. He was of diminished capacity and did not understand what was going on. Cat threatened to kill Jinglebells and Walder told her to go on because he had plenty of sons.

Walder's wife was a good subsitution. Cat's desperation when she realized what was happening chilled me in the books and the show.

The episode captured the brutality and the horror. I always felt so bad for the men outside at the feast burning to death in those tents.

I threw the book when I read that chapter and I was stunned when the credits rolled on the ep.

I think the TV show topped the books in brutality.

I was frustrated by Robb's choices in the books and on the show, but I was gutted by his death because of Cat's love and devotion.
 
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sttngfan1701d said:
Prove me wrong, then. You know what happens in books 4 and 5. You know how long he took to write them. Tell me that he hasn't written himself into a corner, is trying to get out, and had no idea what to do so he just started pulling stuff out of his ass from the moment he wrote the Red Wedding. I'm genuinely open minded here.
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R + L = J

I believe GRRM said that he was going to do a time jump after book three but had to write some synopsis of what happened to the characters during the jump. The synopsis became so much that he ended up just making them into books. He really hasn't written himself in a corner and I'm still expecting the predicted ending of the series.

Fwiw, I've read almost all his other novels by now, and mostly they have satisfying endings.
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You do realise you failed to prove sttngfan1701d wrong, yes?
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Well yes! :lol:

I don't want to spoil anything for anyone but if my mathematical formula is correct then there is no corner for GRRM to write himself out of.
 
Ryan said:
Ugh. This thread is why I try to stay away from online GoT discussion. The book people just ruin everything.
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Yep, I was ruined in real life of this episode details :rolleyes: sucked but hell it was a GREAT episode anyway.
 
Damn. I knew something had to be up, but damn. This was made all the more shocking due to its brilliant execution. It was a stark contrast to the Tyrion and Sansa Wedding, where you could tell nobody was really enjoying themselves. But here, you had the music, and the joyfulness, and the bedding ceremony, and then, wham! It all made for a more devastating outcome.
 
It was a good episode. I actually gave it an average rating, though. It's the first episode that didn't feel that eventful. I expected the Red Wedding to be a bit more of a bloody slaughter, but I'm not complaining at all. It's too bad that Robb's wife was killed also, as I don't think that happens in the books, but it was a realistic touch. The most foreboding part was when Walder told him that if Robb wanted to hide her, then he should not have brought her there.

I wonder if they killed the cousin that married the Frey girl too? I also can't wait for
Catelyn to make her transformation and exact some revenge.
I was missing Jaime and Brienne this episode, but I hope to see them in the finale. Something tells me that this is when we finally get to see what happens with the "king." The actor does a really great job of playing him, though.
 
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WTF, Game Of Thrones? That episode was back to just an hour! Was it cut in the UK? All this season have been one and a quarter with ads, not just an hour.

I'm still betting Lady Stoneheart's appearance will be the end of season cliffhanger.
 
Ryan said:
Ugh. This thread is why I try to stay away from online GoT discussion. The book people just ruin everything.
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Yeah, seriously. Last year I dropped out of these threads after the book reader dudes kept mentioning Arya/Tywin scenes are not in the books. It may have not seemed like a spoiler, but it was to me as it took a lot of tension out of those scenes (I assumed they won't deviate too much from books, so I knew Tywin will not figure out who Arya is).

I stayed out this season but came back for this episode to see the reactions to the shocking events. I kind of regret it now.
 
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