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This show really does keep getting better and better, but are we going to see the red-haired priest or that creepy Shadow thing again? Ever since Renley's death, that whole side of the story has been almost pushed back to non-existence, and I thought he was a key player in this "war".
He is. There's just nothing important happening with him right now. He's on his way to King's Landing with his fleet and that's pretty much it for the moment.
Things will get interesting again once he arrives.
I was working for me for a while, but I think it went on a little too long. It was the very first time in the whole series that I was hoping for a scene to end so we could move on.
First time? So you didn't think the scene with Littlefinger and the two whores going at it while he basically recited book passages went on too long? I certainly did and I enjoy T&A and still thought it was pretty ridiculous
BTW this isn't directed at this post, but at some of the other posts in this thread. Why do people who have read the books (and I fit into this category, but try not to do it) feel the need to confirm events/theories about something that happened in an episode immediately after it airs when it won't actually be confirmed until later in the show?
Doesn't that take away some of the enjoyment of first time viewers if there's an ambiguous scene or event which the show will definitely definitively answer at a later point... but you swoop in with your book knowledge and confirm said event?
I haven't read the thread yet, but my gut reaction is 'Above Average'. Not as good as last weeks episode.
I had to see it on my tiny iPhone screen, so that may have affected my grade. But it did not seem as cohesive as earlier episodes. The scenes were shorter and splintered - I prefer longer scenes. For example, Instead of 4 shorter Jon/Ygritte scenes, 2 longer scenes would have been better.
Best scenes? Probably Cersei's this time. Both her Tyrion and Sansa scenes were excellent.
Genuinely liked the Jaime scene, not because of anything like tension, but because it so nicely encapsulated what makes Jaime Jaime: Charming, witty, understanding, a gifted conversationalist - and utterly remorselessly ruthless when the situation calls for it. Sure, it's long, but this is the first we've seen of him since the start of the season - he's got the space for a nice bit of characterisation.
And I'll have to generally concur with the feeling that this is one of the show's best episodes this season, and most of the book changes here are just stellar. I love Daenerys, and I love her story, but really it only shines in A Game of Thrones and A Storm of Swords - here they've entirely cut segments of the book I didn't care for, and ratcheted up the Qarth story several notches.
Here's hoping they take a hatchet to the Meereen arc and somehow turn the broken pieces into great TV. There's elements in there that'd work, obviously, like when she gets her dragons, and the growing sense that she's sliding into making terrible mistakes - but perhaps not so languidly paced.
Arya, likewise, is a fun character, but her material in A Clash of Kings was the point I started to sour on her chapters with all the faffing about - these Tywin/Arya scenes on the other hand are hitting gold every. Single. Time.
The conversations in these episodes were also useful in reminding viewers about ways the characters are connected to each other: The talk between Cersei and Catelyn reminds us of just how coldly Catelyn treated Jon Snow because he is a bastard, Sansa and Cersei obliquely touches on her love of family above all else, and somewhere in Tywin and Arya's fantastic repartee we are reminded that once, women of the Targaryen line rode dragons into battle.
Oh, and while I liked the way the series was going with Ygritte in the last episode, the actress just killed it here. In another show this'd probably be unquestionably the standout performance of the episode, here it's one of many, many good ones.
What can I say? Hours like this are what make this show my most anticipated hour of TV.
I love Daenerys, and I love her story, but really it only shines in A Game of Thrones and A Storm of Swords - here they've entirely cut segments of the book I didn't care for, and ratcheted up the Qarth story several notches.
Here's hoping they take a hatchet to the Meereen arc and somehow turn the broken pieces into great TV. There's elements in there that'd work, obviously, like when she gets her dragons, and the growing sense that she's sliding into making terrible mistakes - but perhaps not so languidly paced.
Yes, I agree. There is a lot of silly stuff that can be trimmed from Dany's time in Meereen, but there is also things there that will be incredible if adapted properly. Most of Essos is "pseudo-fantasy-Asia", but GRRM has put some real detail into the society there. I'm also anticipating the "battle of Fire" around Meereen in the next book to be spectacular - please don't let me down, GRRM.
BTW this isn't directed at this post, but at some of the other posts in this thread. Why do people who have read the books (and I fit into this category, but try not to do it) feel the need to confirm events/theories about something that happened in an episode immediately after it airs when it won't actually be confirmed until later in the show?
Doesn't that take away some of the enjoyment of first time viewers if there's an ambiguous scene or event which the show will definitely definitively answer at a later point... but you swoop in with your book knowledge and confirm said event?
BTW this isn't directed at this post, but at some of the other posts in this thread. Why do people who have read the books (and I fit into this category, but try not to do it) feel the need to confirm events/theories about something that happened in an episode immediately after it airs when it won't actually be confirmed until later in the show?
Doesn't that take away some of the enjoyment of first time viewers if there's an ambiguous scene or event which the show will definitely definitively answer at a later point... but you swoop in with your book knowledge and confirm said event?
Normally I would agree, but I think the thing in question is pretty obvious (and I say this as an unspoiled first time viewer). I wasn't sure, but I was happy to have my suspicions confirmed in this case, because the alternative is, well, incongruent with what I would be happy with, let's say.
^I think I agree with this. I'm not really finding it spoiler-ish if someone responded to my comments saying "be patient, it will get better/interesting". As mentioned many times, I'm watching this show without reading the books, and there are some things where I wonder what happened to this guy, or why is that story getting all the screen time when it doesn't appear to lead anywhere? It's comforting to know in a show like this that everything that's come before, has consequences in the future and I think it makes the experience a better one.
For example, last week I complained about the Jon Snow storyline saying it was kind of interfering with the other, much more superior storylines. Well, I was took that yes it's going somewhere and this last episode, it actually did go somewhere. It enhanced my enjoyment and made me realize that yes that story at the current moment was needed to continue the overall scope of everything going on. To know that Davos/Red Preistess/Stannis will return is making me look forward to the episodes more just to see how things are going to turn out.
If you want to avoid being spoiled, stop voicing your guesses about what's going to happen into a room full of people that know the answer
It's tough to watch what you're saying when the new people are essentially baiting those that have read the books...
Either read them yourselves (fantastic, so not sure why you wouldn't), or try and keep the comments related to the current/past episodes, so that there's no temptation to help with your guesses, or saying you hope something turns up out of the storyline you just saw, or hope so and so gets what he deserves, etc.
It's even harder for scenes that are different from the book series, or didn't exist at all. The readers want to comment on why it changed, or what it adds, but it's tough to do so without saying anything else, as the comments really want to tie it into the overall series, not just the episode it appeared in.
I'm not sure Jamie wasnt trying to get himself killed more than try to escape. I mean the pen didnt look like it was out on the edge of the camp but more in the middle, so even getting out of the pen wouldnt help much. Anything but being captured again. I also didnt believe one word he said in the pen. Just more Lannister manipulation to bring the boy close enough to kill.
^
Conversely, I believed everything he said in the pen. He's even perfectly honest about the need to kill Alton at the last possible moment. It's possible he might have lied about how good Alton squired for him to draw him out, for example, but I don't see why his own personal recollection of squiring for Barristan Selmy would have lies.
I also think the reason Jaime made his mad and impractical break for freedom is as given: He's a bad prisoner. He can't take being a prisoner. His dig at Ned Stark is not entirely an insult: It's an acknowledgement that a guy like Ned had the mental fortitude to just tough it out.
This being the case, Jaime might as well try to escape. Not a lot of forethought, but then... also not a trait Jaime has in abundance.
I'm not sure Jamie wasnt trying to get himself killed more than try to escape. I mean the pen didnt look like it was out on the edge of the camp but more in the middle, so even getting out of the pen wouldnt help much. Anything but being captured again. I also didnt believe one word he said in the pen. Just more Lannister manipulation to bring the boy close enough to kill.
Jaime (or Jamie) has many flaws, but being a liar doesn't seem to be one of them... I think he'll have been telling the truth, based on both what we know of him, and what we know of the Lannister clan.
I voted Above Average, mainly because the two preceding episodes were so good that I couldn't really justify an Excellent vote here. Nonetheless, there was plenty to enjoy here.
I finished A Clash of Kings within the last week, so it was interesting to see scenes which came from that book and scenes entirely created for the show. It's like I'm getting the best of both worlds, a really good adaptation of the story, but new scenes and storylines, so that I have something new and unpredictable to take on board.