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Game of Thrones 2.7 - "A Man Without Honor" - Rate and discuss

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Rate and discuss (with spoilers for the episode, but not for forthcoming episodes) "A Man Without Honor", airing on the 13th May on HBO and on the 14th May on Sky Atlantic.

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Ok, this picture is cracking me up. Dany's got this "WTF?!" expression. So caption-worthy. :guffaw:
 
^ I've seen it on WinterIsComing. Indeed, caption-worthy ... I mean, they look like they are on their way to some convention :)

And talking about WiC - don't go into the open chat post. Someone there has already spoiled the entire episode (and probably the entire season arcs for several characters).
 
I think that was probably my favorite episode of the season so far. I loved pretty much every scene, particularly Jaime's big one.

Also, Theon is a dick. But we've always known that. (And yes, I know what's going on there.)
 
Well, this bookwalker loved the shit out of this episode.

There was sooo much background information. Jaime's past, Harrenhal, the Targaryens, small details like the milord/my Lord - issue....
It almost felt like reading the books.

I also now officially heart the changes they made. Tywin&Arya is just gold.
Even the Qarth plot has gotten really interesting now. Never would have thought that, considering the source material.

Also: "You know nothing, Jon Snow".
That got cheers from me. I've so been waiting for that line.
Ygritte is a riot. I love her.
 
Ayelbourne said:
Also: "You know nothing, Jon Snow".
That got cheers from me. I've so been waiting for that line.
Ygritte is a riot. I love her.
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Yes, I also cheered lol... and add another reader who likes the changes. It works much better for TV, much more streamlined.

Arya/Tywin is simply epic every time.
 
Re: the episode title, the "man without honor" could be Theon. He's the easy pick, of course. Then, it could also be Xaro Xhoan Daxos, for his betrayal to Dany and the rest of the Thirteen to become King of Qarth. He has already admitted that he has done vile things to get him where he is and is proven to basically be capable of anything to get what he wants. It could also refer to Jorah, based on the masked woman's comment about his earlier betrayal to Dany - not quite sure what that one was about. It could also refer to Jaime for his act that earned him the name Kingslayer. Those are the ones that come to mind based on the events of last night's episode. There are quite a few honor-less men running about right now.
 
Yeah I figured the show's title could have been meant for several characters -

Jamie - Jamie is loyal to Cersei of that there is not doubt, but he seems almost too highly practical.
1. He shoved Bran out of a window to keep him quiet, and seemed to have no qualms.
b. He killed the Mad King, because..."Hey! Some people just need killing." Not honorable given his oaths but practical.
c. His whole convo with Alton was just to get the kid lulled and ready to help. Then he killed him to escape. Pretty cold blooded and quite possibly genius but not honorable.

Jorah
1. He was ready to help murder Dany to get back to Westeros.
2. He sold slaves and got himself exiled by Ned.
He does not seem to have Honor is the strictest sense, but he is a man motivated by love which in him breeds loyalty. I think Dany is lucky to have such a ruthless man be so loyal to her.

Theon is a sniveling little shit that would not know honor if it smacked him in the face. The burned bodies was a good ruse, but I hate him all the more for burning small children...any small children.

Xaro was never a man to tout honor. Therefore, I don't feel the ep was about him. He made it clear from the get go that he was cut throat.

I still love any scene with Arya and Tywin. They are just so unspeakably awesome together that words fail me.

I think poor little Tyrion loves his family inspite of it all. However, I fear that Cersei is just playing him. She feels no real love or compassion. She may love her children, but they are the only people she cares for.

I hope Jamie finds out what she has been doing or more accurately...who.

Why did the Hound betray Sansa to the Queen? The man seems besotted. Why hasten shackling the poor girl to that deranged little man king?
 
Kosh Naranek said:
Theon is a sniveling little shit that would not know honor if it smacked him in the face. The burned bodies was a good ruse, but I hate him all the more for burning small children...any small children.
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That's how it's always been in the series, though. If you're not decently high up in one of the big families, you just don't count. Peasants/commoners are just pawns, at best. They are there to rape/pillage/murder as needed, but aren't given much thought. Couple of farmer's kids won't even be worth mentioning...
 
It was good, but not great. Loved all the different character dialogues that happened, however, it really did jump all over the place this episode.
 
^^^ Yeah, I noticed that too. Problem is, they have so much going on, it's difficult not to jump around. Settings/plots that I recall:

  • King's Landing w/ Tyrion & Cersei
  • King's Landing w/ Sansa & Hound
  • Qarth w/ Dany
  • Harrenhal w/ Arya & Tyrell
  • Riverrun(?) w/ Robb, Kat & Jaime
  • Winterfell w/ Theon (side-plot w/ Bran & Ricken could be considered somewhat separate, but still tied to the main Winterfell thread)
  • North of the Wall w/ Jon & Ygritte
I think I got everything - that's seven major threads, ongoing simultaneously. And we're not even seeing other things that were happening on the periphery last night, like the disposition of Stannis & his army/navy and what's going on down in the Iron Islands w/ Theon's family.

Perhaps a more linear editing is necessary for all these subplots, each scene getting its own time in the episode, once, before moving on to the next, and done.
 
137th Gebirg said:
^^^ Yeah, I noticed that too. Problem is, they have so much going on, it's difficult not to jump around. Settings/plots that I recall:

  • King's Landing w/ Tyrion & Cersei
  • King's Landing w/ Sansa & Hound
  • Qarth w/ Dany
  • Harrenhal w/ Arya & Tyrell
  • Riverrun(?) w/ Robb, Kat & Jaime
  • Winterfell w/ Theon (side-plot w/ Bran & Ricken could be considered somewhat separate, but still tied to the main Winterfell thread)
  • North of the Wall w/ Jon & Ygritte
I think I got everything - that's seven major threads, ongoing simultaneously. And we're not even seeing other things that were happening on the periphery last night, like the disposition of Stannis & his army/navy and what's going on down in the Iron Islands w/ Theon's family.

Perhaps a more linear editing is necessary for all these subplots, each scene getting its own time in the episode, once, before moving on to the next, and done.
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^^^ This right here, spend each hour with 2-3 locations, and then maybe skip them entirely the next episode. Instead we have 4-5 locations going on each episode, it just feels way to little time in each scene. Still really liked the episode.
 
That was another fantastic episode of GOT, but that Jamie scene was quite long and felt a little draggy. I'm all for added tension, but it felt like it was just going and going and going.

Still, everything else about this episode (Even the Jon Snow story) was fantastic. Still loving what is happening at Qarth and Harrenhol the most, and I was very surprised Dinkledge was only in one scene this week. It almost seemed like the writers said "This guy is our lead, but we've been using so much of him this season that this might be a good time to cut back a little bit". Also, considering we have 3 episodes left, I have a feeling Tyrion is going to be in there a lot.

Also really liked the whole Theon thing, but I'm starting to wonder, was he always this dick-ish or did his meeting with his father/sister make him this way. People say Tywin is the villain? Sure seems like Theon is playing that role a lot better (Even though the guy playing Tywin is a much better actor).

This show really does keep getting better and better, but are we going to see the red-haired priest or that creepy Shadow thing again? Ever since Renley's death, that whole side of the story has been almost pushed back to non-existence, and I thought he was a key player in this "war". I know there's a lot to cover, and they could double the season in terms of episodes and have it still be awesome if they wanted to, but it seems like Stannis/Davos/Red-Haired priestess has been pushed way to the back.
 
Forbin said:
PurpleBuddha said:
Forbin said:
Okay, long conversations with Jamie are awfully boring.
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I thought it worked very well.
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I was working for me for a while, but I think it went on a little too long. It was the very first time in the whole series that I was hoping for a scene to end so we could move on.
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First time? So you didn't think the scene with Littlefinger and the two whores going at it while he basically recited book passages went on too long? I certainly did and I enjoy T&A and still thought it was pretty ridiculous ;)

BTW this isn't directed at this post, but at some of the other posts in this thread. Why do people who have read the books (and I fit into this category, but try not to do it) feel the need to confirm events/theories about something that happened in an episode immediately after it airs when it won't actually be confirmed until later in the show?

Doesn't that take away some of the enjoyment of first time viewers if there's an ambiguous scene or event which the show will definitely definitively answer at a later point... but you swoop in with your book knowledge and confirm said event?
 
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