Game of Thrones 1.9 - "Baelor" - Rate and discuss

[Evil Twin]

[nerd]^ Elaborating on that, I was perusing wiki, and it looks like Robert/Stannis/Renly's grandmother was a Targaryen (and the niece of Maester Aemon.) Likewise, Aemon would be the great grand uncle of Daenerys (as his brother was Aegon V, her great grandfather.)

HOWEVER.... it looks like the show decided to skip over a generation (Jaehaerys II), as Aemon says that "Mad King" Aerys II was the son of his brother, Aegon V, not the grandson, making Aemon Daenerys' grand uncle, not great grand uncle.[/nerd]

 

[Kegg]

[nerd]^ Elaborating on that, I was perusing wiki, and it looks like Robert/Stannis/Renly's grandmother was a Targaryen (and the niece of Maester Aemon.) Likewise, Aemon would be the great grand uncle of Daenerys (as his brother was Aegon V, her great grandfather.)

Yep.

The Baratheons were also founded by an alleged Targaryen bastard, and the only one of the great houses to date to Aegon's conquest.

So, just a reminder, particularly for you non-book readers:

The Starks, Lannisters, Arryns and Martells were all once royal houses, when the Seven Kingdoms really were Seven Kingdoms. The Starks are the oldest of these lineages, having ruled the North for over a thousand years.

The other royal houses were ended by the Targaryen invasion, and their land is now controlled by houses that used to serve as bannermen to those kings - the Tullys in the Riverlands, and the Tyrells in Highgarden.

The Greyjoys are a special case as they're the family appointed to the Iron Islands by the Targaryens but are also descended from the Grey Kings.

This leaves the Targaryens and the Baratheons as the only 'new' great houses in Westeros, dating after the conquest. The founder of the house slew the King of the Storm Lands, and since then the Baratheons have been Lords of Storm's End, a keep like Winterfell for the Starks or the Eyrie for the Arryns.

Renly Baratheon is the current Lord of Storm's End, while Stannis Baratheon is the Lord of Dragonstone, which is former Targaryen territory.

HOWEVER.... it looks like the show decided to skip over a generation (Jaehaerys II), as Aemon says that "Mad King" Aerys II was the son of his brother, Aegon V, not the grandson, making Aemon Daenerys' grand uncle, not great grand uncle.[/nerd]

Wow, that completely slipped me by.

 

[Venardhi]

There is a reason the Baratheon stag has a crown, the Storm Lords were kings long before the Targaryens came to Westeros. The name Baratheon is 'new', but the house itself is still essentially that of the old kings of that region down to the sigil and the house motto. When Aegon the Conqueror's general Orys slew the last Storm Lord and married the heir of the house, it was renamed Baratheon.

 

[Yoda]

You know, I read all the books in the last month or so, and 3/4 of this Houses of Westeros History I had absolutely no idea on. That may not say nice things about my reading comprehension.

 

[Out Of My Vulcan Mind]

You know, I read all the books in the last month or so, and 3/4 of this Houses of Westeros History I had absolutely no idea on. That may not say nice things about my reading comprehension.

Well, there is a hell of a lot of detail to take in. Even GRRM can't keep it all straight and checks on some details with the super-fans who run the Westeros fan site.

 

[Kegg]

Yoda - Well, in fairness I did read the appendices (a completionist streak in me, I guess).

One thing I forgot to note is that the Lannisters have their own land, the Westerlands, and Tywin is Lord of Castelry Rock, their keep. We've mostly seen them in King's Landing in this series, but that says more about their closeness to the throne and the show's focus than anything else. If someone is still wondering where Tywin has been for most of the series, or where that big army he had was, there's your answer.

There is a reason the Baratheon stag has a crown,

The crowned stag only became the Baratheon sigil after Robert became King, but yes, you're right, the Baratheons claimed the Storm Lands by marrying the King's last surviving heir.

 

[KJbushway]

I was so pissed off that they killed Ned I almost gave this episode a bad rating. I almost promised I never watch it again. I have never been this pissed off about an ending since Repo Men, never again I will not watch it.

 

[JD]

You know, it really is amazing the amount of thought and detail GRRM put into A Song of Ice and Fire's backstory.

 

[Captaindemotion]

My initial 'Hmmmm' response to GOT has now been replaced by one of 'Wow!' It's really grown on me. I'm still in a state of disbelief that Ned got killed (I went into this thread hoping that someone would reveal that he was just being toyed with and next week we'd see that the axe pulled away at the last minute).

Is it wrong of me to wish a horrible and gruesome death on a pre-pubescent boy, even a fictional one?

 

[Owain Taggart]

I haven't read the books, but I was wondering, was this the season finale? If so, I don't know if I'll be coming back to it for season 2. On the whole, I felt the series was somewhat unsatisfying.

 

[Shurik]

I haven't read the books, but I was wondering, was this the season finale? If so, I don't know if I'll be coming back to it for season 2. On the whole, I felt the series was somewhat unsatisfying.

There's one more episode left.

 

[Professor Zoom]

I was so pissed off that they killed Ned I almost gave this episode a bad rating. I almost promised I never watch it again. I have never been this pissed off about an ending since Repo Men, never again I will not watch it.

I totally don't understand this. Just because they kill off a main character, you won't watch again? Isn't it GREAT that NO ONE is safe? It's TV that isn't playing by the rules we are accustomed to. That doesn't interest you?

 

[Venardhi]

There is a reason the Baratheon stag has a crown,

The crowned stag only became the Baratheon sigil after Robert became King, but yes, you're right, the Baratheons claimed the Storm Lands by marrying the King's last surviving heir.

I thought the same for a while, but there is nothing to back it up as far as I can tell. The only evidence seems to be in support of the crown always having been there, since a crowned stag was the sigil of the Storm Lords before him and no mention is made of removing it when Orys became the first Lord Baratheon.

 

[Kegg]

I thought the same for a while, but there is nothing to back it up as far as I can tell.

It comes down to the different Baratheon sigils. Robert's has a crown. As I recall, Renly's sigil as Lord of Storm's End is said to be based on Robert's old sigil, and it's not mentioned having a crown.

It'd be pretty easy to see why the sigil of the Storm Kings was crowned as that of House Baratheon was not, for that matter - the former were Kings, while the Baratheons were merely Lords... a position that Robert corrected.

 

[Canadave]

I haven't read the books, but I was wondering, was this the season finale? If so, I don't know if I'll be coming back to it for season 2. On the whole, I felt the series was somewhat unsatisfying.

There's one more episode left.

And without giving anything away, there should be at least a couple hooks that will bring people back for season two. What most people are expecting to be the closing scene should be pretty awesome.

 

[Shurik]

I haven't read the books, but I was wondering, was this the season finale? If so, I don't know if I'll be coming back to it for season 2. On the whole, I felt the series was somewhat unsatisfying.

There's one more episode left.

And without giving anything away, there should be at least a couple hooks that will bring people back for season two. What most people are expecting to be the closing scene should be pretty awesome.

Spoiler: Next episode preview stuff, not really spoilers

One of them, for some reason, made it into the episode 10 preview.

 

[Kegg]

Yeah, episode 10 should be a pretty interesting watch - to put it mildly.

Damn, I am going to miss this show when the first season ends. Dexter's fifth season is starting up tomorrow in the UK, which will take some of the edge off, but even so...

There's one more episode left.

And without giving anything away, there should be at least a couple hooks that will bring people back for season two. What most people are expecting to be the closing scene should be pretty awesome.

Spoiler: Read only if books, etc.

I've read that GRRM had very specific ideas for how that scene should look and he shared them with the showrunners and that's what they went for.

 

[Canadave]

There's one more episode left.

And without giving anything away, there should be at least a couple hooks that will bring people back for season two. What most people are expecting to be the closing scene should be pretty awesome.

Spoiler: Next episode preview stuff, not really spoilers

One of them, for some reason, made it into the episode 10 preview.

Spoiler: Not really spoilers, but just in case

Huh... just watched it, and yeah, that's a bit strange to give it away. But at least it was one and not the other.

 

[KJbushway]

I was so pissed off that they killed Ned I almost gave this episode a bad rating. I almost promised I never watch it again. I have never been this pissed off about an ending since Repo Men, never again I will not watch it.

I totally don't understand this. Just because they kill off a main character, you won't watch again? Isn't it GREAT that NO ONE is safe? It's TV that isn't playing by the rules we are accustomed to. That doesn't interest you?

No, I will still watch it. I just hoped he would break out by the old guy's help(the ex-king protector). I would have been fine if anybody else got killed. I am used to the guy who used to be on Stargate Atlantis not dieing.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I was so pissed off that they killed Ned I almost gave this episode a bad rating. I almost promised I never watch it again. I have never been this pissed off about an ending since Repo Men, never again I will not watch it.

I totally don't understand this. Just because they kill off a main character, you won't watch again? Isn't it GREAT that NO ONE is safe? It's TV that isn't playing by the rules we are accustomed to. That doesn't interest you?

No, I will still watch it. I just hoped he would break out by the old guy's help(the ex-king protector). I would have been fine if anybody else got killed. I am used to the guy who used to be on Stargate Atlantis not dieing.

Why? What difference does it make?