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Game of Thrones 1.10 - "Fire and Blood" - Rate and discuss

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Uhm, I'll just go ahead and say it - this show so far has probably been the best book2screen adaptation I've have ever seen.

Or at least among the top five, though I cannot think of any of the other four at the moment... :D
 
Oh, absolutely. It's definitely up there near the top of the list, I think. I never imagined they'd end up following the books this closely.
 
Skywalker said:
I was really disappointed by the lack of...

"Promise me, Ned."
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I can understand why they removed it, in the book it's from Ned's POV and all hazy and stuff so we don't know what it all meant. In the TV visual medium it would've been too obvious what a lot of stuff in the flashback really meant.
Like what the "bed of blood" really represented.
 
Anwar said:
Skywalker said:
I was really disappointed by the lack of...

"Promise me, Ned."
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I can understand why they removed it, in the book it's from Ned's POV and all hazy and stuff so we don't know what it all meant. In the TV visual medium it would've been too obvious what a lot of stuff in the flashback really meant.
Like what the "bed of blood" really represented.
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Oh, I completely agree. I can understand its absence for the same reasons. Although, they could have added it in when...

Ned was lying around feverish from his leg wound. Just have him dreaming, and just have a voiceover of a woman whispering "Promise me, Ned!" before someone wakes him up.
 
Apparently the line or something like it did appear in one of the episodes sent out in the big press package before the premier. They were all rough cuts other than the first couple episodes though, and it was removed at some point before the broadcast.
 
Skywalker said:
I was really disappointed by the lack of...

"Promise me, Ned."
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I'm disappointed!

Where are the people disappointed by the lack of...

[spoiler='Spoiler' but not a spoiler from first book]The children of the forest[/spoiler]?

I mean it's not in there even once. Not that I actually care and it's something I think it makes perfect sense to never mention but there isn't anyone up in arms?

...well, there probably is on one of those diehard ASOIAF (lousy name, worse acronym) websites.
 
I'm not sure what episode this was in, but since it's show related I'm just gonna ask it here. I'm reading the book, and I just finished the chapters on the Kings tourney, and the scene where Gregor kills his horse. I know from the discussions of the earlier episodes that this scene is in the show, and I was wondering if anyone knows or has an idea how they did this? I'm a big animal person, and I just want to make sure that that scene was done with special effects, and not a real horse.
 
Of course they didn't behead an actual horse. It was probably a bunch of mechanical stuff and prosthetics, with some digital wizardry.
 
There were something like 3 graphic horse deaths in the season. I'm guessing they figured something out early on combining all the available resources.
 
Yeah, that was pretty much what I was figuring. I doubted anything this high profile could get away with that without there being a huge uproar, but then again Coppola did slaughter a water buffalo for Apocalypse Now.
 
Last weeks twist left a bad taste in my mouth, but maybe that's because it was hanging open so long some dust got in there. I will have to wait and see next season if they can spin this yarn into something worth the price of killing the fucking hero of the show in the most insulting and meaningless way, but this episode didn't show me that yet.

Dragon girl was an interesting development but I feel like the whole season's plot with her and the horse people was sort of meaningless given what happened.

I know this show is based on books but it almost seems like the writers were making it up as they went along, and making big course corrections half way through, like Caprica.

Anyway, I'll be watching next season.

PS.... Arya does not pass for a boy when her boobs are poking out like that.
 
^Book Arya is too young to have boobs. You'll just have to chalk it up to the actress being older, which is quite common for the casting of child characters.
For example, Jack Gleeson is 19 afaik.
Venardhi said:
There were something like 3 graphic horse deaths in the season.
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I'm starting to get the feeling George Martin doesn't like horses.
And Humans.

As for the show itself. The stag that we saw getting skinned by Charles Dance was a real carcass. Anyone know whether they aquired it dead or alive?
 
WeAreTheBorg said:
Last weeks twist left a bad taste in my mouth, but maybe that's because it was hanging open so long some dust got in there. I will have to wait and see next season if they can spin this yarn into something worth the price of killing the fucking hero of the show in the most insulting and meaningless way, but this episode didn't show me that yet.

Dragon girl was an interesting development but I feel like the whole season's plot with her and the horse people was sort of meaningless given what happened.

I know this show is based on books but it almost seems like the writers were making it up as they went along, and making big course corrections half way through, like Caprica.

Anyway, I'll be watching next season.

PS.... Arya does not pass for a boy when her boobs are poking out like that.
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The first season followed the book pretty closely. The writers did change some minor details, but the main plot is the same.

The girl who plays Arya was ~13 when the first season was filmed and her character is 9 or 10 in the books.
 
Incidentally, if anyone here is in Belfast next Monday, they're auditioning for extras for S2. Am half-tempted to go down for the laugh, but they want people with beards and long hair and I'm clean-shaven and short-haired, so probably not really worth my while! lol
 
WeAreTheBorg said:
Last weeks twist left a bad taste in my mouth, but maybe that's because it was hanging open so long some dust got in there. I will have to wait and see next season if they can spin this yarn into something worth the price of killing the fucking hero of the show in the most insulting and meaningless way, but this episode didn't show me that yet.
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Arya died?! Or was it Jon Snow? Syrio maybe? Tyrion? Brann? The dire wolves?

In fact, who's the hero of the show again? I didn't know there was just one.
 
Insulting to who? The character? Well yes, that was the point. Ned was the honorable man who always did the right thing no matter what it meant in the long run and the first time he compromises himself and does the decidedly dishonorable thing he not only ruins his reputation as an honorable man but also confirms their accusations which allows Joffrey to kill him without a trial and rally at least part of the kingdom even stronger behind him now that even a traitor has proclaimed him the true king.

Basically Ned got fucked because he doesn't think ahead. First it was "the right thing" then after some softening up it became "how do I protect my family" when the solution all along was to think more than one step ahead to see the long-term consequences of each option and realize that a few slightly less honorable actions would allow him to do the truly honorable thing in the long run.
 
I don't think we need to spend that much time with 'Arry' anyway. One, two episodes, tops, then she's off to the next of her half dozen equally pointless identities.

WeAreTheBorg said:
I know this show is based on books but it almost seems like the writers were making it up as they went along, and making big course corrections half way through, like Caprica.
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Well, that's an interesting observation.

It just so happens the back half of Caprica's season was aired in the UK more or less simultaneously with most of Game of Thrones' run, usually an hour later then this fantasy series, so the differences in their plotting were kind of thrown into stark relief for me.

Now, I'll admit to reading the books, but frankly Game of Thrones felt densely and intricately plotted compared to Caprica, whose juggling of its half-dozen plot threads felt speculatarly haphazard in contrast.
 
To be honest there are times while reading the book where I get the whole "making big course corrections halfway through making it up" feeling, particularly the 3rd book. I realize that probably isn't the case, and that Martin from interviews says he knows where the story goes, but I ended up taking a many year break from the book series because of the 24-esque "omg shocking!!!" twists made me feel like there wasn't a real legitimate character story being told, that it was all plot-plot-plot.

I do think differently now, but I don't want to delve into spoilers in THIS thread so I won't elaborate.
 
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