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Game of Thrones 1.10 - "Fire and Blood" - Rate and discuss

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I have a few questions.

1) Are there also gates at the other castles along the wall?
2) Is the gate at castle black original or did the Night's Watch sit behind the wall for centuries and dig the tunnel later on because of the Wildling incursions?
3) How do Wildlings and people like Will get over the Wall?
4) When there is Winter, is it also cold in places like Dorne and King's Landing?

Thanks in advance

1. I would assume so, for at least the major castles. I question whether they are still viable, though, because as the Night's Watch shrunk in numbers and had to abandon castles, I'm imagine they would want to blockade those gates, either by collapsing the tunnels or something slightly less permanent.

2. Would presume original, but who knows how old the castle is vs the wall? Would assume that whoever built the wall would want to control access, though, so they'd want a way they could go North, but nothing could come South unless they wanted it to.

3. Massive wall (both height and length), and massively old. The Watch doesn't have the numbers to patrol at full capacity, so sure there are sections that have had people scale it, dig out tunnels (or excavate old gates that have fallen into disrepair), etc. Since it's an island, simply going around would work for Wildlings (less so for the white walkers, would imagine). Same reason building a border fence with Mexico is a stupid idea. Too long to defend, plenty of ways to defeat it.

4. Think it has been mentioned, but yeah. Maybe not to the extent of the North, but maybe just 'regular' winter conditions there for an extended period, vs 'nuclear winter' conditions closer to the Wall. That's why the whole BS going on in the South is so bad; it's "fall" there, and they need to be gathering supplies and getting ready for Winter. Instead they're burning fields, wrecking shelters, and killing each other. Gonna be a rough winter...

There was a reason for why Jorah sold those poachers as slaves, but I don't recall if it was mentioned on-screen.

Don't believe so. Pretty sure the longer reasoning happens later on. Couldn't remember if that first part had already been given out (thought so, but didn't want to risk another Spoiler discussion! :p )
 
There was a reason for why Jorah sold those poachers as slaves, but I don't recall if it was mentioned on-screen.
It was briefly mentioned in one of the Jorah/Dany or Jorah/Viserys conversations. He said "I had an expensive wife" or something like that. The full story is in the books.
 
I know what the full story is, but I was trying to keep it vague for the benefit of those who haven't read the books. We just had a big argument about this right here in this very thread. :p
 
Jorah sold all the excess Mormonts.

There.

Are you happy?

...

But yeah, what Anwar said.

I do like the touch of having this family spread out to different areas of the map, though, it's elements like that which make the series feel a little more visibly connected. The man who aids Dany is the reason Jon Snow gets a new sword and why a woman rides to war with Robb.
 
I know what the full story is, but I was trying to keep it vague for the benefit of those who haven't read the books. We just had a big argument about this right here in this very thread. :p
I think that in the thread for the 10th episode it's safe to talk about stuff from previous episodes :)
 
Agreed, but the full conversation you're talking about was not IN any of those 10 episodes. It comes later...

That's why i said this is so hard: you know the answer to something, and feels like you've known it a long time. But when EXACTLY did you find that out? The answer to this one (while not a big deal) comes in a later book
 
Agreed, but the full conversation you're talking about was not IN any of those 10 episodes. It comes later...

That's why i said this is so hard: you know the answer to something, and feels like you've known it a long time. But when EXACTLY did you find that out? The answer to this one (while not a big deal) comes in a later book
The full conversation indeed comes later, but I'm pretty sure the line "I had an expensive wife" was in one of the first season episodes ... He didn't go in much detail there too.
 
James Hibberd at EW has done his best and worst of the season (the last sentence has a major spoiler for anyone who hasn't seen The Sopranos yet):

Best episode: I'd have to say Episode 9. Not just for the climatic Ned Stark execution, the entire hour was very strong. Runner ups: Episode six and eight were close. Worst: Episode 3 -- no deaths, no sex, no wolves, just chat-chat-chat. It was also the only episode to conclude without any kind of cliffhanger.

Best actor: Peter Dinklage: The obvious fan-favorite choice, sure, and Tyrion gets all the fun lines to play with. But you can't take your eyes off him. Some of these episodes I watched like five times to write a recap, and Dinklage takes even the most expository bits of throwaway dialog and does something interesting with them.

Runner-up: Sean Bean. Until the last couple episodes, I would have picked maybe Aidan Gillen (Littlefinger) or Mark Addy (King Robert). I thought Bean's performance was stiff, but that's sort of how Eddard Stark is. Once his life began to fall apart, Bean started layering in vulnerability while still maintaining his core strength and the result was fascinating to watch.

Best actress: Maisie Williams: And some of you thought I didn't like Arya. In a show full of strong child actor performances, Williams was heartbreaking and pitch perfect.

Runner-up: Like Bean, Lena Headey's performance wasn't very flashy, but that's also aligned with her character -- Cersei always maintains a poker face. But check out her scene discussing her hate-marriage in Episode 5 with King Robert.

Best Fight: Bronn vs. Eryie Knight. We didn't particularly care about either of these people at the time, but with Bronn standing in for Tyrion it put the life of one of our favorite characters at risk. Their fight was unconventional, suspenseful and was staged differently than any sword fight I've seen -- plus the whole Moon Door trap gave the set a sci-fi Star Wars quality to it. Runner-up: Jaime vs. Ned.

Hottest Sex Scene
: Drogo and Dany (the non-rape one). Tough to choose a sex scene from Thrones without sounding like a freak because there's something taboo in nearly all of them. But Dany showing Drogo her newfound girl-on-top skills in Episode 2 (my favorite to recap) wins out.

Best Change From the Books: There was a lot of smart moves. In the book, Arya sees Ned getting executed from a distance and Yoren finds her on his own. The producers added a connection between them in the scene which amplifies its power tremendously. Runner-up: Drogo's tongue-ripping fight scene. Now we understand why he's the toughest guy in the tribe.

Most missed scene from books: Tyrion marching into battle in Episode 9. There's two schools of thought on this subject: We didn't see much in the books either, or that HBO needs to pony up more money. I don't agree with the first -- TV is a visual medium and if a viewer feels disappointed by not showing a fight then their feelings are valid whether the scene was in the books or not. But I also don't know how anybody can describe Thrones as cheap. So I don't fault producers for not shooting this, I'm just bummed it wasn't there. Now, if they don't show anything from a certain battle next season, that's a whole other story. Runner-up: The Stark and Lannister kids sparring in the yard at Winterfell during King Robert's visit.

Most WFT Nude Scene: Hodor! First runner-up: Lysa breastfeeding her pre-adolescent son. Second runner-up: Ros flashing her cooter on turnip cart.

Best Sexposition: I loved Viserys talking about dragons in the bathtub with the curious prostitute. The actor really brought a lot to this tale remembering his youth in Kings Landing, especially since his memories weren't dramatic -- it was all in the mood and delivery of this scene. The kicker at the end ("What am I paying you for? To make me sad?") was one of the biggest laughs in the show. This gave sexposition a good name.

Worst Sexposition: Littlefinger's speech about vying for Catelyn's affection while judging Ros audition for Brothel Idol. It was sort of funny, but I didn't believe this scene for a second.

Best Advice: "There is only one god. His name is death. And there is only one thing we say to death: Not today" -- Syrio Forel.

Worst Monologue
: No surprise to regular readers, King Robert's speech about his first kill, a dull speech in a throwaway scene.

Best Joke
: "You wouldn't know him," Bronn, when Tyrion sets him up to recite his parentage to Tywin. (OK, you sort of had to be there).

Most Gruesome Death
: Viserys getting "crowned." I tried to reassure myself that his death was over relatively quickly, that he stopped screaming so abruptly because, I'm assuming, the molten gold flowed into his eye sockets and reached his brain. That I'm reassuring myself by thinking this makes me all the more creeped out.

Dumbest Controversy
: Jon's direwolf Ghost barks in show but not in books? Blasphemy!

Most Powerful Scene
: Ned Stark's execution. Everybody involved with the show knew this scene had to rock. Gorgeous, horrific, suspenseful. The most tense artistry for a character death since Adriana was driven out to the woods in The Sopranos.
 
Ok, what exactly is sexposition? I'm assuming given the two words that it's a sex scene with exposition in it?
 
Ok, what exactly is sexposition? I'm assuming given the two words that it's a sex scene with exposition in it?
Yeah, that's it. I'm not sure if the term was coined just recently for Game of Thrones, but it's gained wide currency lately in regards to the show.
 
I'm assuming the sex is so we have something.... interesting... to look at, instead of just a bunch of people standing around talking?
 
I'm assuming the sex is so we have something.... interesting... to look at, instead of just a bunch of people standing around talking?
Yeah, they've often tried to put exposition in scenes where there's something else going on, sex being one of the main options.
 
Maybe since one such scene was easily one of the season's worst, they'll tone it down a bit next season.

...Yeah, probably not. :lol:
 
Lena Headey posted this on her Facebook page after the season finale:

Face bookers .. What about the f’in DRAGONS … Holy fuck balls!!!

Emilia Clarke was glorious .. Sophie turner as sansa brought incredible depth to the character in one of my favorite scenes with Joffrey on the roof with the severed heads (my SCREEN son is such a little shit ;)
 
I think the Dragon scene is probably one of the things I am most excited for when I get to see this after it comes out on DVD.(I haven't gotten that far in the book yet, but fro what I've seen the Dragons look awesome). Damn, I wish HBO put their shows up on ITunes day after they air like most of the other channels do.

I just watched the Inside The Episode stuff for episodes 3-10, and I really am amazed at how close this looks to be to the books. The guys running it just seem to have a really good understanding of the story and the characters. I can't wait to get this the first moment it comes out on DVD.
 
I'm assuming the sex is so we have something.... interesting... to look at, instead of just a bunch of people standing around talking?
Yeah, they've often tried to put exposition in scenes where there's something else going on, sex being one of the main options.

I wonder why they haven't incorporated any flashbacks instead. TV is a visual medium after all, instead of these endless expositions.

I think it would have been awesome actually SEEING the Mad King burn the Starks alive, or Littlefinger duel Brandon Stark, Robert mowing Rhaeger down on the Trident.
 
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Only to a point. TV's a visual medium but it's a visual medium on a budget, which is obviously why a lot of TV can be pretty talky. I honestly didn't mind not getting flashbacks - the tense little standoff between Jaime and Ned at the Iron Throne about the death of Ned's father and brother was far more interesting then actually showing the scene would have been.

The sexposition scenes tended to be stuff that'd be hard to just show through flashback anyway.

James Hibberd said:
Best Change From the Books: There was a lot of smart moves. In the book, Arya sees Ned getting executed from a distance and Yoren finds her on his own. The producers added a connection between them in the scene which amplifies its power tremendously.
I didn't even realize that was a change from the books, and I read them mere weeks before the show premiered. That's either a testament to how natural it felt or how bad my memory is, perhaps a bit of both.

I'm assuming the sex is so we have something.... interesting... to look at, instead of just a bunch of people standing around talking?

Obviously, but giving people a bit of business during exposition is like screenwriting 101. The thing is, that bit of business doesn't need to be screwing somebody - Tywin Lannister cutting the hell out of a stag when we first see him is another non-sexual example of the same principle (although it's still quite gory, and thus cable-friendly).

An even more tame one, of course, would be Bran taking his lesson with Maester Luwin. There the bit of business is the archery practice taking place right in front of them, archery having been used throughout the season as The Thing Bran Can't Do Cause He Is A Cripple - and having Bran fiddle with a trout as a visual cue probably only novel readers would get (he misses his mother, trout is the sigil of her father's house, Tully).

Even better are scenes where the exposition is part of actual drama on the screen. Ned and Jaime's steely confrontation is a good example, feeding us information in the form of two future enemies crossing at an apex of power.

I do agree with the thrust of the reviewer, though. Of the sex exposition scenes, Viserys' was the best ridden and acted - and felt the most organic - rather than a character just blurting out a ton of information at a naked woman, he was being asked by a curious Doreah and had a great reaction... everything Littlefinger's 'Let me tell you random whores literally everything there is to know about my thought processes' was not.

I think more than flashbacks or not using sexposition, they just need to vary up what kinds of business is going on when people give exposition... and probably have more than one whore. Seriously Ros showed up to give Theon, Littlefinger and Pycelle expository scenes and as a bonus got mentioned in one of Jon's. I don't think that girl will be happy until she gets an expoistory scene out of Stannis!
 
Yeah, they were even joking about here on IGN. Is she a character they made from the show? I just got to the scene in the book where (I'm assuming this is in the show) Ned met Robert's bastard at the blacksmith, and I haven't come across a Ros.
 
Yeah, they were even joking about here on IGN. Is she a character they made from the show? I just got to the scene in the book where (I'm assuming this is in the show) Ned met Robert's bastard at the blacksmith, and I haven't come across a Ros.
She's an invented character. She was supposed to be just in the scene with Tyrion in the pilot, but the producers liked her and invented some more scenes for her.
I think it would have been awesome actually SEEING the Mad King burn the Starks alive, or Littlefinger duel Brandon Stark, Robert mowing Rhaeger down on the Trident.
The scene with Mad King burning the Starks was shot and there's a screenshot from it in one of the trailers. Apparently is was left on the editing floor, maybe because it was referenced a few times in the dialogue. I hope they include it on the DVDs ...
 
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