Galaxy With Grid

[Kaziarl]

Actually, it's always been referred to that Earth and the Sol System are smack dab on the border of the Alpha and Beta quadrant. So it's the Federation that straddles the two.

Also, Romulan space needs to be somewhat close to Cardassian space. Otherwise how did the Dominion use Romulan space as a short cut to attack Federation worlds? And the Federation and Cardassians did share a border, the Maquis were born because the border shifted, and the worlds now owned by the cardassians didn't like that idea.

 

[Dac]

FWIW, here's how i'd have it (presented in 3d!!! )

I know its only a throwaway line, but seeing as Senator Whatsherface in Nemesis said she was meeting with the Tholian ambassador, and considering their both xenophobic races I thought "what the hell" and thought they'd probably have a direct line of communication/transport for trade and such between the two peoples. So they have a corridor which goes over Fed space, but then Fed space curls around and goes over Rommy territory. I figured it was a good trade off. Im tempted to put a similar "shoot" going from Klingon space toward Cardassian, as that would reconcile the ease with which they travelled to Cardy space in Way of the Warrior.

 

[Enderw]

Memory Alpha lists Qo'nos as being in the Beta Quad.

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Kronos

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Klingon_Empire

Beta has them as a exclusive Beta Quadrant bordering the United Federation of Planets, the Romulan Star Empire, the Imperial Romulan State, the Tholian Assembly, and the Gorn Hegemony.

This isnt as easy as I first thought.....there will have to be overlappings of territories that will appear under or over one another. My scales of pretty off at the moment.

 

[Kaziarl]

Memory Alpha lists Qo'nos as being in the Beta Quad.

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Kronos

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Klingon_Empire

Beta has them as a exclusive Beta Quadrant bordering the United Federation of Planets, the Romulan Star Empire, the Imperial Romulan State, the Tholian Assembly, and the Gorn Hegemony.

This isnt as easy as I first thought.....there will have to be overlappings of territories that will appear under or over one another. My scales of pretty off at the moment.

Try to keep in mind, Memory-Beta is NOT cannon. It includes anything and everything from books, comics, tech manuals and starcharts. Basically anything licensed, but not on screen. And all those sources together, you've got even more inconsistencies then you do with just the show.

 

[Enderw]

I have found some problems but it is coming together. Im using memory alpha, beta, Star trek Expanding universe, this sight, and artistic license.

I had to overlap some and think in terms of depth, and not a flat map. The only real land locked so to speak territory was the Gorn so far. They seem to be sandwiched between Fed and klingon borders. And no direction to expand.

 

[Enderw]

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I think I got a little carried away with the Borg space and the fallen planets around it. But this is the new one.

Thoughts?

 

[Enderw]

Hirogen space is more of a hunting ground. Not a densely populated territory but thinly spread over a lager area.

Krenim was more in a fluxuating state.

Voth a nice sized area of space well protected. But not a superpower, but very densely populated.

Vidlians, a dieing population, shrinking territories.

Kazon was nomads, more tribes the a space power.

And the borgs ever expanding in all directions.

Not finished but on the way.

 

[Enderw]

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OK, I made some size adjustments and Im still thinking the borg space is a little to big but for the most part Im happy with it.

There was a nebula or 2 I wanted to add but wasnt sure where they would be so I stop here.

Would love to see any others out there. And as always your thoughts are appreciated.

 

[RichMerk]

Would love to see any others out there. And as always your thoughts are appreciated.

I think your map is pretty good. Similar to mine, actually.

 

[Enderw]

That looks great, I was having a hard time coming up with a way to represent the Hirogen Relay Network. Over the next few Ill be adding things like that.

 

[Avon]

wouldn't it have taken about 25 years to reach the great barrier in st:v according to this?

not that that film makes much sense anyhoo..

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

Think three dimensionally! It's a much shorter distance if you go "up" or "down" relative to the map's plane. That way you'd likely reach it in ten years or less. Not that this solves ANY of that movie's problems, though... :P

Mark

 

[RichMerk]

wouldn't it have taken about 25 years to reach the great barrier in st:v according to this?

not that that film makes much sense anyhoo..

Yeah, the trip to the galaxy center is one of those extremes that are hard to reconcile. And if you personally count TAS as canon (which I do), then the Enterprise has been at the core not once but twice. For my own personal continuity, I explain these sorts of extremes with the good ol' "Cochrane Variable", which is a variable based on matter density which alters subspace curvature allowing for much greater (or slower) than normal speeds.

Think three dimensionally! It's a much shorter distance if you go "up" or "down" relative to the map's plane. That way you'd likely reach it in ten years or less. Not that this solves ANY of that movie's problems, though... :P

You're referring to the barrier at the edge of the galaxy. If you look at the purely visual cues in the episodes, it's clear the writers meant for the barrier to be at the edge, not the roof. In my universe, it is a gigantic spherical bubble surrounding the Milky Way, so going "through the roof" won't get you there any faster.

 

[Dac]

Can't we just retcon the galactic barrier? The very notion of it is preposterous even by TOS standards, its just such a stupid notion that there's an impenetrable field around our galaxy...

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

It was put there to keep God at the centre of the galaxy, by other gods. I mean, duh.

As for edge versus roof or flooring, while the creators thought still wouldn't make much sens. no matter what way you approach it, the barrier is so immensely huge that it would look like a wall to a tiny starship. I thusly see the "band" nature of the barrier as an extension of its depth, not breadth, and that it would look like a big pink band regardless of what approach vector you use.

And yes, it may well be a sphere. But like everything else, it's fun speculation.

Mark

 

[Dac]

Here's how i'd picture the alpha/beta quadrants to look at the end of the 24th Century. The orange sphere in Romulan space is the area destroyed by the hobus supernova. I've also made Tholian and Romulan space smaller while expanded the federation into the Alpha quadrant a bit more.

 

[RichMerk]

Oo, neat. 3D. I think that makes your map fairly unique among the fan maps out there.

 

[Dac]

Looking at the other fan maps though, It appears ive over sized mine somewhat. Oh well.

 

[RichMerk]

Meh. As long as it works for you, that's all that matters.

 

[Potemkin_Prod]

I disagree with the position of the Klingon empire. In my opinion, it should lie between Earth and the center of the galaxy, basing it on lines from "The Final Frontier." Also, since the Romulans are in the general direction of Gamma Hydrae, they should be more where the Klingons have been arbitrarily placed.