DumbDumb2007
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Coukd a Galaxy Class Starship handle an attack by 5 Cardassian Warships ?
Galaxy Class starship vs. 5 Cardassian Warships,,,,,,,,
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Galaxy against 5 Galors... That would be a tough one for our heroes.
In Yesterday's Enterprise the Warship-D was taken out by 3 Klingon BoP's.
Then (in the Defector I believe) Picard said that the 2 decloaking d'deridax Romulan vessels could have destroyed the E-D instead of just "getting their attention"
I would say that a Galor is alittle weaker than a BoP, but that is just speculation. But 5 starships is alot for any one ship to go against.
In Yesterday's Enterprise the Warship-D was taken out by 3 Klingon BoP's.
Then (in the Defector I believe) Picard said that the 2 decloaking d'deridax Romulan vessels could have destroyed the E-D instead of just "getting their attention"
I would say that a Galor is alittle weaker than a BoP, but that is just speculation. But 5 starships is alot for any one ship to go against.
The "BoP's" that attacked the Warship-D were in fact K'Vort class ships.
If I'm not mistaken, their design is identical to BoP but larger (which also adds to their firepower) ... which is why the warship-D lost in the first place.
3 BoP's against a Galaxy class ship is a joke.
While I know the Ferengi used 2 Bop's to overpower the Enterprise-D, in real Trek such a thing would never happen.
I would say that a Galaxy class ship would be able to take on 2 or 3 Galor class ships ... maybe 4 ... but more than that, I don't think so.
A Galaxy class ship should be on par with a Romulan D'Deridex class Warbird (in which case, the battle between the two ships would be decided on tactics employed and which of the crew is better at fighting).
If I'm not mistaken, their design is identical to BoP but larger (which also adds to their firepower) ... which is why the warship-D lost in the first place.
3 BoP's against a Galaxy class ship is a joke.
While I know the Ferengi used 2 Bop's to overpower the Enterprise-D, in real Trek such a thing would never happen.
I would say that a Galaxy class ship would be able to take on 2 or 3 Galor class ships ... maybe 4 ... but more than that, I don't think so.
A Galaxy class ship should be on par with a Romulan D'Deridex class Warbird (in which case, the battle between the two ships would be decided on tactics employed and which of the crew is better at fighting).
are we talking pre-Dominion alliance or post? because the pre-alliance ones were shitty that had trouble even fighting Chakotay's piss-ant little raider. Post-Alliance they were more powerful.
pre-Alliance, yeah, the Galaxy class would be kicking ass and taking names.
post- well, it'd probably go badly for the Cardies, but it'd depend who the captain was. Picard, Calhoun or Shelby would probably win with some damage.
pre-Alliance, yeah, the Galaxy class would be kicking ass and taking names.
post- well, it'd probably go badly for the Cardies, but it'd depend who the captain was. Picard, Calhoun or Shelby would probably win with some damage.
FWIW, Jellico in "Chain of Command II" was convinced that a scenario against fifteen pre-Dominion Galors was manageable. Although we don't really know if the scenario involved other Federation assets besides the E-D...
It is quite possible a Galaxy would enjoy a decisive advantage in speed and weapons range, effectively killing all the Cardassian vessels before they had the chance to even fire back. After all, that's how the Nebula class Phoenix dispatched of a large Cardassian warship in "The Wounded", fighting with torpedoes from outside the weapons range of the enemy. It doesn't seem that the Galor class would ever have been armed with torpedoes, which may be a fatal shortcoming.
However, if the Galaxy is deprived of mobility - say, if she has to defend a fixed target, as in "Yesterday's Enterprise" - then even a primitive enemy might overpower her. Federation shields are good, but not infinitely so. And Cardassian ships can't exactly be destroyed with the first shot, either. Some would get enough shots through to make a dent in the Galaxy defenses. Still, five might not suffice, pre-Dominion; but fifteen sounds overtly optimistic of Jellico.
Timo Saloniemi
It is quite possible a Galaxy would enjoy a decisive advantage in speed and weapons range, effectively killing all the Cardassian vessels before they had the chance to even fire back. After all, that's how the Nebula class Phoenix dispatched of a large Cardassian warship in "The Wounded", fighting with torpedoes from outside the weapons range of the enemy. It doesn't seem that the Galor class would ever have been armed with torpedoes, which may be a fatal shortcoming.
However, if the Galaxy is deprived of mobility - say, if she has to defend a fixed target, as in "Yesterday's Enterprise" - then even a primitive enemy might overpower her. Federation shields are good, but not infinitely so. And Cardassian ships can't exactly be destroyed with the first shot, either. Some would get enough shots through to make a dent in the Galaxy defenses. Still, five might not suffice, pre-Dominion; but fifteen sounds overtly optimistic of Jellico.
Timo Saloniemi
The Daystrom Institue website gives the Galor an overall strength index of 347 and the Galaxy a 1,000. Scaling up, that would make five Galors equal to ~1.75 Galaxies, meaning the Cardies have a pretty big, but not overwhelming advantage. Realistically, I'd give the win to them but, obviously, if it's a Hero Ship, the Federation ship's going to take the duke no matter its classification.
'strength index'? WTF?
Of course, the biggest problem is most of it is not based on those things but complete specfulation. I've disagreed with his analysis of a D'Deridex and, when he responded to my complaints, I got the impression it was basically because he wanted it to be rated as slightly weaker than a Galaxy. Granted, the arguments I used were far from conclusive, but his strength charts aren't often based on much (just like ex-astris-scientia, if I agree with the logic behind the rationale, I'll believe it, but I don't accept it simply because they say it's so).
Right. I'm not arguing that his ratings are Truth and actually disagree with him that the Galor is quite that weak, as well as not agreeing that a Romulan Warbird -- my favorite ship -- is not as powerful as a Galaxy. I just included it as a little bit of back-up as I personally believe five Galors should be able to take out a Galaxy.
Cardassian Ships suck. When they first showed them in the episode with the rogue Captain that was killing them easily, they couldn't even hurt his weaker ship. They could also read their transponder codes and identify their ships easily. The Enterprise would slaughter them.
That's in the DS9 Tech Manual and it's silly. It is supposed to explain the size of the BoPs relative to the Romulans in "The Defector" and the fact the Ent-D goes down to just three in "Yesterday's Enterprise", but this completely ignores the tacticqal disadvantage the Ent-D had in YE.
Three small mobile attackers with heavy armament like a BoP could easily take down the Ent-D when (like it did) it has to make tactically disastrous moves to stop the Ent-C taking damage. While manoevering to protect the Ent-C the D takes a serious hit in her engineering section (normally if she stayed head on untouchable because of the saucer, though this does expose the bridge, silly Star Trek).
True, true...
Yet it certainly looks like the Klingon enemies are very large in physical size, and rather clumsy in maneuvers, in both "Yesterday's Enterprise" and "Rascals" where the same footage is used. The size effect was very intentional, and IMHO shouldn't be lightly ignored.
Also, to nitpick, the big ships of the alternate timeline in "Y'sE" are called the K'Vort class, but they are established as the B'Rel class in our timeline in "Rascals"...
Personally, I don't find it difficult to believe in two or even three sizes of winged Klingon vessels. It is quite possible that this winged structure is required for certain types of atmospheric fighting that the Klingons do, and thus several very similar types are built, to varying sizes. Witness for example the landing craft and landing ships of WWII: very similar hull forms, very distinct from all other warships, but over a range of sizes from a small half-platoon-sized boat to an oceangoing transport vessel.
And that really is something I would like to see more in Trek. The alien opponents should have distinct styles of fighting, reflected by their vessels. Klingons have these winged things that look suitably "antiquated" to match their bladed weapons. They may actually be handicapped in space battle as the result, but that's their style.
Similarly, Cardassian warships may be optimized for planetary intimidation and conquest, with bloated underbellies full of invasion shuttlecraft, and with a single mostly down-facing main gun array intended to bombard planetary resistance. They may be very good at what they do, better perhaps even than their Federation counterparts, but they suck at space combat as the result.
Timo Saloniemi
Yet it certainly looks like the Klingon enemies are very large in physical size, and rather clumsy in maneuvers, in both "Yesterday's Enterprise" and "Rascals" where the same footage is used. The size effect was very intentional, and IMHO shouldn't be lightly ignored.
Also, to nitpick, the big ships of the alternate timeline in "Y'sE" are called the K'Vort class, but they are established as the B'Rel class in our timeline in "Rascals"...
Personally, I don't find it difficult to believe in two or even three sizes of winged Klingon vessels. It is quite possible that this winged structure is required for certain types of atmospheric fighting that the Klingons do, and thus several very similar types are built, to varying sizes. Witness for example the landing craft and landing ships of WWII: very similar hull forms, very distinct from all other warships, but over a range of sizes from a small half-platoon-sized boat to an oceangoing transport vessel.
And that really is something I would like to see more in Trek. The alien opponents should have distinct styles of fighting, reflected by their vessels. Klingons have these winged things that look suitably "antiquated" to match their bladed weapons. They may actually be handicapped in space battle as the result, but that's their style.
Similarly, Cardassian warships may be optimized for planetary intimidation and conquest, with bloated underbellies full of invasion shuttlecraft, and with a single mostly down-facing main gun array intended to bombard planetary resistance. They may be very good at what they do, better perhaps even than their Federation counterparts, but they suck at space combat as the result.
Timo Saloniemi
Cardassian ships only travel in groups of three, so there would be 6 galor class ships to fight.
Naah. Single ships were seen in "The Wounded", and pairs were used in "Ensign Ro", "The Chase" and "Defiant". Three ships have sometimes been seen, for example in "Emissary", but larger formations than that are also possible. In "The Die is Cast", rows upon diagonal rows of ships hover over the Founder hideout planet, sometimes with four to five ships per row.
In contrast, Klingon and Romulan battle cruisers in TOS and TAS do seem to like to operate in threesomes. That might just be their carefully calculated figure for confrontations with Constitution class opponents, though. Cardassians could calculate differently when facing a Galaxy (and when affording the required number of ships!).
Timo Saloniemi
In contrast, Klingon and Romulan battle cruisers in TOS and TAS do seem to like to operate in threesomes. That might just be their carefully calculated figure for confrontations with Constitution class opponents, though. Cardassians could calculate differently when facing a Galaxy (and when affording the required number of ships!).
Timo Saloniemi
They also like to stack up so it only looks like there's only one of them when you look at them from certain angles. Just in case they run into species that only have optical sensors... and approach ships at certain angles.
Well, that's sort of automatic if there are just one or two ships. 
One would think the most logical formation for hiding one's strength would be a direct line ahead. After all, usually you are moving towards your enemy or away from him, not at odd angles... Yet for some reason, nobody ever uses this formation. Perhaps because it's a bad idea to be on the path of somebody else's warp travel. His navigational deflectors might burn your ass, or he might suffer an engine failure that causes you to run into him.
Timo Saloniemi
One would think the most logical formation for hiding one's strength would be a direct line ahead. After all, usually you are moving towards your enemy or away from him, not at odd angles... Yet for some reason, nobody ever uses this formation. Perhaps because it's a bad idea to be on the path of somebody else's warp travel. His navigational deflectors might burn your ass, or he might suffer an engine failure that causes you to run into him.
Timo Saloniemi
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Cardassian ships have always seemed to have a weakness against photon torpedos, they always seem to get destroyed instant so i'd imagine a Galaxy class firing qunatum torpedos could probably take them down but suffer heavy damage.
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