The Yamato literally destroyed itself, Odyssey rammed by 1 Jem'Hader ship destoyed, Enterprise-D destroyed by obsolete Klingon Bird or Prey, along with several destroyed during the Dominion War. Not a great record for "The Flagship of the Federation"
Galaxy Class ships (not all their cut out to be)
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Actually, we never did see any Galaxy-class ship lost during the actual Dominion War. If anything, they all seemed to be kicking butt and taking names. I would argue that Starfleet probably lost more of other designs (like the Oberth-class and the Miranda-class).
That's only three out of possibly hundreds of Galaxy class ships.
That's not how the flagship thing works.
Also, there is the same thing at play as the Constitution class. The Galaxy class was...and in regards to exploration, remains given the Sovereign class was more of a combat cruiser, the premier exploratory vessel class of the Federation. It is the ship sent the furthest out, and prepared for the deepest long term explorations into uncharted space, and it is given the riskiest missions as a result, since it is best equipped to deal with them. It is that risk that results in why at least a number of them will be lost. A Martian freighter is not going to be blown up by a god being. A Galaxy class will be.
Their tendency to dun get exploded once the Pax Galactica of TNG gives way to increased threats from the Borg, the reemergence of the Romulans, and the Dominion War is why you see combat ships like the Steamrunner, Akira and Defiant classes (and even the Sovereign) come into being. Nonetheless, there remains that risk by the very nature of the missions undertaken. Space is dangerous in Star Trek, and the Galaxy class is on the front-line of that danger and called to respond to it when it presents itself.
Their tendency to dun get exploded once the Pax Galactica of TNG gives way to increased threats from the Borg, the reemergence of the Romulans, and the Dominion War is why you see combat ships like the Steamrunner, Akira and Defiant classes (and even the Sovereign) come into being. Nonetheless, there remains that risk by the very nature of the missions undertaken. Space is dangerous in Star Trek, and the Galaxy class is on the front-line of that danger and called to respond to it when it presents itself.
Pretty sure their warp cores were made of Papier-mâché.
"A gentle breeze! Warp core breach in 5 minutes!"
"A gentle breeze! Warp core breach in 5 minutes!"
The Yamato was infected with a computer virus that removed all safety protocols, the Odyssey was struck in the drive section hitting the deflector dish (which was likely charged with antiprotons) and the antimatter containment pods, whilst the E-D was the victim of some devastating espionage that circumvented their very defences. All three losses are somewhat unique and Starfleet could hardly have anticipated them.
Admittedly I'm not a huge fan of the Galaxy-Class, it does seem a little pompous, but then again it would be as much a status symbol and PR opportunity than anything else, so the grandiose manner makes sense.
Admittedly I'm not a huge fan of the Galaxy-Class, it does seem a little pompous, but then again it would be as much a status symbol and PR opportunity than anything else, so the grandiose manner makes sense.
The Odyssey and Ent-D were hit with writer's nerf in order to make a point about how threatening an enemy was and or to see something cool happen on screen.
The Odyssey was meant to be an Ent-D stand in. Right down to the Picard-eske captain, Keogh. Ira Stephen Behr was demonstrating even the Ent-D would have been destroyed in an encounter with the Jem Ha'dar. Plus, not much you can do with a large starship doing a kamikaze run on a vulnerable section of the ship.
With the Ent-D's destruction, that was Brannon Braga's idea. Crashing the Ent-D on a planet was something he wanted to do for the finale of TNG season 6, and then the opening episodes of TNG season 7, they would get the Ent-E. However, it was just going to be another Galaxy Class. With the movie coming down the pipeline, TPTB decided to save the idea. However, GEN was beset by the various producers and writers (Berman, Braga, Moore and Taylor) putting the cart before the horse, with regard to their story. With regard to the Ent-D's destruction, the "cart" was seeing a saucer section crash on the planet. The "horse" was supposed to be a 3 against 1 fight with Klingon BOPs. However, they reduced it down to 1 BOP, nerfed the Ent-D (which a full weapons assault would've annihilated the 20 year old BOP) by having it only fire 1 phaser array and launch 1 torpedo (when Riker asked for a spread), and had the crew not rotate shield modulation when they discovered their shield's frequencies had been penetrated. This results in the crew technobabbling a solution to win a fight they didn't need to cheat to win. Then, Geordi couldn't manually eject the core prior to it's detonation.
Funny thing is, when Braga and Taylor would become the head honchos on VOY, the shield moderation would be compromised by an enemy and the crew would rotate the frequencies without incident. Also, I can't remember the episode, but I do recall B'Elanna manually ejecting the core, and then the crew going back an reinstalling it without incident. Not to mention the Ent-D crew had no trouble rotating frequencies and firing all weapon during the show (against the Borg) and Georgi could always handle warp core breaches when they were on TV.
It's nerf, or nothing!
The Odyssey was meant to be an Ent-D stand in. Right down to the Picard-eske captain, Keogh. Ira Stephen Behr was demonstrating even the Ent-D would have been destroyed in an encounter with the Jem Ha'dar. Plus, not much you can do with a large starship doing a kamikaze run on a vulnerable section of the ship.
With the Ent-D's destruction, that was Brannon Braga's idea. Crashing the Ent-D on a planet was something he wanted to do for the finale of TNG season 6, and then the opening episodes of TNG season 7, they would get the Ent-E. However, it was just going to be another Galaxy Class. With the movie coming down the pipeline, TPTB decided to save the idea. However, GEN was beset by the various producers and writers (Berman, Braga, Moore and Taylor) putting the cart before the horse, with regard to their story. With regard to the Ent-D's destruction, the "cart" was seeing a saucer section crash on the planet. The "horse" was supposed to be a 3 against 1 fight with Klingon BOPs. However, they reduced it down to 1 BOP, nerfed the Ent-D (which a full weapons assault would've annihilated the 20 year old BOP) by having it only fire 1 phaser array and launch 1 torpedo (when Riker asked for a spread), and had the crew not rotate shield modulation when they discovered their shield's frequencies had been penetrated. This results in the crew technobabbling a solution to win a fight they didn't need to cheat to win. Then, Geordi couldn't manually eject the core prior to it's detonation.
Funny thing is, when Braga and Taylor would become the head honchos on VOY, the shield moderation would be compromised by an enemy and the crew would rotate the frequencies without incident. Also, I can't remember the episode, but I do recall B'Elanna manually ejecting the core, and then the crew going back an reinstalling it without incident. Not to mention the Ent-D crew had no trouble rotating frequencies and firing all weapon during the show (against the Borg) and Georgi could always handle warp core breaches when they were on TV.
It's nerf, or nothing!
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Actually, you know considering how often throughout TNG the Enterprise was suffering catastrophic systems failure that could result in the destruction of the ship if not attended to, the Galaxy class does seem to have some corners cut in its development.
In that case Starfleet would be using shuttles to get everywhere seeing how unreliable transporters were in TOS.
No need for Grammar Police here, thanks.
There's a clip of the from the episode with the kamikaze run at 2:35
Being rammed destoryed the forward section of the star drive section (you can see the destoryed area) and it probably extended far enough aft to compromise the anti-matter pod containmet as you say and it's all over red rover.
Yamato did have the probe rewriting the ship's computer systems, and as a chance event not as deliberate maliciousness...
Now noting the number of times in TNG where a nacelle vents plasma and doom is spelled out... or how often the warp core goes critical, for which "Contagion" started the trend before it became a cliché...
Now noting the number of times in TNG where a nacelle vents plasma and doom is spelled out... or how often the warp core goes critical, for which "Contagion" started the trend before it became a cliché...
I wouldn't consider the Galaxy class a failure, the opposite in fact. It was Starfleets biggest starship project for a reason and despite newer classes being produced I would think a Galaxy class would still be the ship that Captains wanted.
The reason newer classes such as the Sovereign were more heavily armed was due to the Borg threat, Dominion war and from what we saw in DS9 there is no reason why Galaxy class ships weren't upgraded with the same weapons and tech. I don't believe that the Sovereign class was built to replace the Galaxy class as the Federations premier ship. It would have been in development during the launch of the USS Galaxy, likely built to replace the aging Excelsior class.
The reason newer classes such as the Sovereign were more heavily armed was due to the Borg threat, Dominion war and from what we saw in DS9 there is no reason why Galaxy class ships weren't upgraded with the same weapons and tech. I don't believe that the Sovereign class was built to replace the Galaxy class as the Federations premier ship. It would have been in development during the launch of the USS Galaxy, likely built to replace the aging Excelsior class.
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Galaxy class is a beautiful design and because it's the main ship in TNG, it just must get into all kinds of trouble, plot demands it sometimes.
Had some other class ship been the "ship of the show", it would have had its share of problems.
Imagine a ship that always works perfectly through a 7 year run of a show, bit of a dilemma for the writers.
Had some other class ship been the "ship of the show", it would have had its share of problems.
Imagine a ship that always works perfectly through a 7 year run of a show, bit of a dilemma for the writers.
Yamato was infected with an alien computer virus that destroyed it.
Odyssey, quote from Memory Alpha - According to the Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion, the show's writers intentionally made the Odyssey a Galaxy-class ship to emphasize that the Dominion was a much more threatening force than anything the Enterprise-D had encountered during TNG, with the exception of the Borg.
Enterprise-D, it had to be destroyed because people involved in 'Generations' wanted a new ship for the movies. (for some retard reason) The way Ent-D was destroyed was done very poorly... as was the entire movie IMHO.
Galaxy class was no failure. It may have appeared that way during TNG due to being the main ship, fx and budget restrictions and of course drama but it was the most powerful ship in the fleet during that shows run. Borg even acknowledge that.
How often did Kirks Enterprise get put in danger ?, a lot of times. In the Films the Enterprise A had its fair share of problems with those pesky Klingon Bird of Preys.
Also after the destruction of the Odyssey i don't remember seeing any other Galaxy's destroyed in the fleet battles when the Dominion War started full swing.
How often did Kirks Enterprise get put in danger ?, a lot of times. In the Films the Enterprise A had its fair share of problems with those pesky Klingon Bird of Preys.
Also after the destruction of the Odyssey i don't remember seeing any other Galaxy's destroyed in the fleet battles when the Dominion War started full swing.
Not quite.
There's a section in the back of the Generations novelisation and the destruction of the 1701D including Saucer crash had been mooted for the end of Season 6 but they couldn't find a way do film the effects in a satisfactory manner on a tv budget.
Haven't seen the episode in a number of years was suprised they had a different set for the Odyssey bridge than we'd seen in TNG though some reading of IMDB and the Memory Alpha it's possible the set had been demolished by the time The Jem H'adar filmed.
Also IMDB trivia for the Ep says there was a trailer for the episode showing the destruction of a Galaxy class starship which had some fans worried it was the Enterprise.
The thing I always thought was strange was that Galaxy class ships (really any ships in the Next Generation era) still couldn't go any faster than Warp 9.9 for extended periods (In Encounter at Farpoint they're just barely staying ahead of the Q sphere long enough to let the saucer section get away after separation.)
I'd have thought that 80 years after the original series, there would have been some advances in Warp technology (at least ships should be able to get up to warp 15 or 20 by the time the galaxy class was introoduced.)
I'd have thought that 80 years after the original series, there would have been some advances in Warp technology (at least ships should be able to get up to warp 15 or 20 by the time the galaxy class was introoduced.)
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