and do we still use the term 'She' when refering to a ship named after a male?
Future of USS Enterprise
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and do we still use the term 'She' when refering to a ship named after a male?
and do we still use the term 'She' when refering to a ship named after a male?
Strangely, yes.
The barracks at RTC Great Lakes don't prevent a ship from bearing their name. (USS Constitution was the first of the new buildings completed.) Each of them is named for a distinguished ship (or ships, in at least one case) of the Navy (Constitution, Enterprise, USS United States, USS Arizona, etc.).
I had to read this three times before I got the joke. Then...
Well played sir, well played.
The current USS Enterprise is a turd and long overdue to be scrapped. Congress has already named the newest carrier, so any pathetic fanboy fanwanky letter writing campaigns will be akin to pissing in the wind.
Believe it or not, the US Navy will *still prevail* without a ship named Enterprise. Also, with the way air warfare is evolving, I believe the days of the aircraft carrier are numbered.
Believe it or not, the US Navy will *still prevail* without a ship named Enterprise. Also, with the way air warfare is evolving, I believe the days of the aircraft carrier are numbered.
Congress does not name ships (in general), and did not name the USS Gerald R. Ford (in specific). They have expressly delegated this authority to the Secretary of the Navy.
I basically cut to the chase that the naming rights, ship's sponsor, et al are already in place.
You have a better chance of getting 81 or 82 named in honor of the Enterprise, so far they're unnamed.
Little trivia: In Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles the USS Jimmy Carter was the only submarine to survive Judgment Day.
Little trivia: In Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles the USS Jimmy Carter was the only submarine to survive Judgment Day.
So, is this how I should picture the USS Hillary Clinton from John Birmingham's Axis of Time novels?
Marian
That's what I was thinking!
Quite so.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise#United_States_Navy
There have been several stretches of quite a few years during which there was no US Navy ship bearing the name Enterprise. This isn't the end of the world, this isn't the violation of some long-standing tradition, this isn't treason, and it is decidedly not cause for going "stark raving MAD!!!"
So, is this how I should picture the USS Hillary Clinton from John Birmingham's Axis of Time novels?
Marian
Works for me.
I love the ship's motto that Birmingham mentions for the Clinton: "It takes a carrier."
Not to mention naming the ship's AI "Little Bill".
Marian
Oh, I had forgotten about that. Think i need to revisit that trilogy.
BTW, have you read his latest? - Without Warning It's not a bad read.
I think that you are missing at least some part of the point here. The point of writing such "pathetic fanwanky" letters is just that; to make a point. Don't forget that it was letters from Star Trek fans to the White House that gave our Space Shuttle Enterprise its name.
In any case, the importance isn't that the Ford is renamed by sudden proclaimation of the President; it will not be. What really matters here is that a few letters fall on the desk of someone of influence who remembers them, and when the time is right, acts.
As a matter of fact, in the wake of masses of Americans fighting over social healthcare initiatives, bailouts, and other big things that they do not understand, a few friendly letters expressing concern over the name of an aircraft carrier are most likely a welcome relief in the President's mailroom.
Yeah
It's more important for a ship to be named for a fictional TV show prop than a humble man who had a profound affect on modern US History, who was also a former officer. Silly me, where *are* my priorities.
^ So as not to make this conversation look overly foolish, allow me to make my point in a different light.
The name Enterprise was the inspiration for that fictional TV show prop. Enterprise is a noun, a verb, and an adjective. Gerald Ford is just a noun. Ford may have been a great man, but great men are seldom a match for great ideas. Indeed, I'm biased in favor of the name in great part because of Star Trek; but there is also something worth noting about the fact that the name of Ford reflects one man's enterprise for a short time in one century, while Enterprise itself reflects all mens' enterprises for the entire time of all centuries.
If we give up on the name Enterprise, perhaps we should rename the NCC-1701 The U.S.S. Roddenberry. Sure; it is really just a matter of opinion. It isn't going to define all of eternity or send anybody to hell. It is just a matter of tradition. It isn't about disrespecting great men; this whole thing is just a matter of wanting Enterprise painted on a naval vessel somewhere for old time's sake, and because it means something good that everyone can understand and relate to.
The name Enterprise was the inspiration for that fictional TV show prop. Enterprise is a noun, a verb, and an adjective. Gerald Ford is just a noun. Ford may have been a great man, but great men are seldom a match for great ideas. Indeed, I'm biased in favor of the name in great part because of Star Trek; but there is also something worth noting about the fact that the name of Ford reflects one man's enterprise for a short time in one century, while Enterprise itself reflects all mens' enterprises for the entire time of all centuries.
If we give up on the name Enterprise, perhaps we should rename the NCC-1701 The U.S.S. Roddenberry. Sure; it is really just a matter of opinion. It isn't going to define all of eternity or send anybody to hell. It is just a matter of tradition. It isn't about disrespecting great men; this whole thing is just a matter of wanting Enterprise painted on a naval vessel somewhere for old time's sake, and because it means something good that everyone can understand and relate to.
I did a stretch in those barracks way back when - they should have been named USS Garbage Scow
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