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Future Mirror Universe books

Christopher said:
Xeris said:
The Mirror Universe hasn't "diverged" from the Trekiverse, it has always been a darker version of it.

That's just one interpretation. There's no proof of it. Scientifically speaking, a universe that has the same laws of physics, the same planets, the same species, the same languages and cities and technology, must be a divergent timeline; had it been a separate universe from the beginning, it wouldn't have an Earth or a human species any more than Vulcan would have a Lake Michigan or a Monticello. Although it does seem there's something odd about the MU that causes it to remain similar to the main universe, with the same people being born and ending up in similar positions, nearly the same technology and clothing designs being developed, etc., despite the divergence apparently happening a considerable time in the past. Although the same can be said of most fictional alternate realities.

:stroking imaginary goatee:

Hmmm. Yes...

it's almost as if some intelligence were somehow guiding the Mirror-verse's evolution....

I must attempt to be Quite Quiescent as I Question this Quandary.

But don't Quote me.
 
I must admit that that does bring up some interesting Questions.
 
JD said:
I must admit that that does bring up some interesting Questions.

What we really need is to get the big authors, the editors, JJ Abrams and the last set of Enterprise staffers together for some Q and A.

Presuming that anything they say can be Quantified.
 
the shat's MU trilogy seems to suggest some blame may lie with the Preservers.

although they primarily go with the old split-off timeline theory
 
I don't think Shat tries to stay to cannon with his books. Maybe a bit but he likes to go his own direction most to of the time.

But that's my opinion.
 
shat's books are no more canon(one N in the middle, thanks) than any other Trek novel. nor are they in the same continuity as most of the other books, i was merely making an observation regarding the discussion of a superior alien of some type being connected to the MU's origin.
 
a few months before that particular Shatverse book came out, I read an article in New Scientist (I think) about consequences of time travel. The article speculates that the reason time travel doesn't change history is because when people travel to the past, they create a new alternate universe. So I was rather impressed by what I read in Shatner's book.
 
yeah, but the time-travel didn't create the alternate universe, Cochrane's flipping a coin to decide whether to tell the Vulcans aobut the Borg or not created the alternate timeline MU.

besides, that idea's been around for years. it was part of the plot of 'Target: 2006' in the UK Transformers comic. Galvatron goes back in time to destroy Unicron in 1986, so that he can get out from Unicron's control and winds up 'destroying' Starscream who is destined to toss Megatron out into space, leading him to encounter Unicron and become Galvatron. But if G killed S in 86, then S can't toss M into U's path to become G. so G think's he's in a parallel universe and returns to 2006.

'Starscream' was actually an unconcious Skywarp, (literally) repainted to look like Starscream and remotely controlled by Hot Rod, Kup and Blurr who'd been sent back to 1986 under Unicron's control to thwart Galvatron.

We now return you to your thread already in progress...
 
Rosalind said:
a few months before that particular Shatverse book came out, I read an article in New Scientist (I think) about consequences of time travel. The article speculates that the reason time travel doesn't change history is because when people travel to the past, they create a new alternate universe. So I was rather impressed by what I read in Shatner's book.

That concept was hardly new at the time of that article. The idea of historical alterations due to time travel producing co-existing alternate realities goes back at least as far as Asimov's 1955 The End of Eternity and probably even farther. (Alternate histories began showing up in fiction in the 1880s, and the idea of parallel realities dates from the 1920s at the latest, though it probably took longer to link that concept specifically with time travel.) As for the physics side, the concept of parallel realities has been part of quantum physics since 1957, with the publication of Everett's Many-Worlds Interpretation of quantum theory.

These days, though, the scientific thinking on time travel is dominated by the Novikov Self-Consistency Principle, which basically states that history can't be altered. Meanwhile, in 2005, Greenberger and Svozil published a paper using quantum theory to show that the past was deterministic, and that a traveller into the past would be constrained to recreate the original timeline. Since the traveller was part of the quantum system that had already resolved in a certain way, that traveller would only perceive those alternatives consistent with that observed reality. That doesn't conclusively rule out the possibility of alternate quantum realities existing, but it contradicts the notion that they can be created by time travel; on the contrary, a time traveller would be unable to experience any reality other than the one he or she already knew. Once an observation is made, you're stuck with it, quantum-mechanically speaking.
 
The split was created when Old Biff stole the Delorean and the sports almanac and went back in time from 2015 to 1955 and gave the almanac to young Biff. In the "correct" timeline Marty stopped him and in the mirror universe, Marty failed leading to Biff becoming the richest man in the world and Nixon serving 5 terms as president ;) :p
 
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