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Future Guy & Hobus event

Jaro Stun

Jaro Stun

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Greetings,

I just had a thought and I decided to share also here...

Now that we know that Romulan homeworld has been destroyed by Hobus supernova event (ST 2009, ST:Countdown), and thus is not around in 27th-28th centrury (from where pressumably the future guy, giving orders to Silik is from) it allstarts to make some sense.
Romulans may be trying to use temporal technology to alter events in such a fashion, that Hobus incident would be avoided, BUT the timeline would not be altered significantly up until that point.
This may be reason why the manipulation was rather subtle, and the FG didn;t want Archer dead /Enterprise destroyed, or mess in any other drastic way with the timeline (e.g. giving Romulans a decisive advantages or crippling their opponents).

It is possible, that without the Federation, there would be no Red matter and no way to stop the Hobus event...

The Federation / Temporal fleet (Daniels) of course opposes this for two reasons:
1.) Temporal prime directive
but most importantly
2.) Destruction of Romulan homeworld appears to lead to significantly strenghtened position of Federation as the No.1 superpower of AQ (it seems in all future hints we've got, that the Federation by far is the strongest player - AGT/Endgame, and their only reasonable opposition are Klingons, who are not that powerful anymore...)
 
NCC-1701 said:
Guardian Bob said:
Do we know future guy is romulan?
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No, actually we don't. But it's the most wide-spread believe that he was, because ... well, because of nothing, really.
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It was a very strong rumour after "Broken Bow", with some fans even claiming they could see a pointed ear on the blurry form that was Future Guy. In truth, nothing had been decided at that point.

As the series was drawing to a close, there was a big Romulan plot reveal at the conclusion of the Aenar trilogy, and I have a feeling that this was an evolution of production meeting discussions about how the original Future Guy arc might have been resolved.
 
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Braga and company stated that they considered making Future Guy a Romulan. It's even mentioned on the Star Trek Wiki Memory Alpha.
That would be a nice tie in to have Future Guy trying to save Romulus.
 
Therin of Andor said:
NCC-1701 said:
Guardian Bob said:
Do we know future guy is romulan?
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No, actually we don't. But it's the most wide-spread believe that he was, because ... well, because of nothing, really.
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It was a very strong rumour after "Broken Bow", with some fans even claiming they could see a pointed ear on the blurry form that was Future Guy. In truth, nothing had been decided at that point.

As the series was drawing to a close, there was a big Romulan plot reveal at the conclusion of the Aenar trilogy, and I have a feeling that this was an evolution of production meeting discussions about how the original Future Guy arc might have been resolved.
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timelord1010 said:
Braga and company stated that they considered making Future Guy a Romulan. It's even mentioned on the Star Trek Wiki Memory Alpha.
That would be a nice tie in to have Future Guy trying to save Romulus.
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Alas, the fact remains, we don't know whether Future Guy was a Romulan or not.
 
I freeze-framed Future Guy a few times, and his ear (the left one faced the camera) seemed round to me. Maybe he cut off the tip, to look like Nero? ;)
 
Python Trek said:
I freeze-framed Future Guy a few times, and his ear (the left one faced the camera) seemed round to me. Maybe he cut off the tip, to look like Nero? ;)
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Maybe you just couldn't see the point? ;)

What about the one in the middle of his forehead? His Final Front Ear? :guffaw:
 
Hi,
ok, now that we've cleared the FG's identity, does anybody have any ideas or comments regarding the original topic? ;)
 
Flaw in your plan: The Enterprise PTB never concieved of Romulus dying. Rocking the boat in any way, shape or form wasn't in the plan (until the Xindi mission).

But with a weakened Federation, the Romulan Empire would be bigger and thus more would survive the FTL lightyears-across Hobus super-dooper nova. A better plan would be to give the Suliban red-matter tech and have them implode the star before it can cause trouble...but they may take over the galaxy for themselves with a WMD like that.

When I rewatched AGT after seeing STXI, when they said the Klongons had annexed Romulan space, it seemed for a moment like Star Trek was some planned-out super epic.
 
yes...in all the episodes giving us glimpse of the future, it seems that the Romulans are gone / in trouble and Klingons are expanding in their place.

Suddenly after ST XI it all makes sense....

Even if (in real world/production) unplanned, this gives Star Trek universe a nice feeling of integrity.
 
I like it. That's my new accepted fanon, until something canon comes along to contradict it.
 
Makes just as much sense as ANY other theory that's been bandied about in the last eight years or so. I've suspected Future Guy was a Romulan for most of the time the show's been in existence, and after seeing TREK XI we could conjecture that he was fiddling with the past at least in part because of what happened to Romulus in the Prime timeline in 2387. I used to think it all had to do with changing his empire's history with Earth and the Klingons so that the Empire would be a stronger and more stable force in the past, but preventing the destruction of Romulus would also play into that because we know from Daniels, Captain Braxton and the USS Relativity crews that by the 29th through 31st centuries multiple species have the ability to communicate into the past even if they can't physically travel there themselves. Future Guy saw the destruction of Romulus in the year 2387 even if it didn't originally happen in his own timeline and that played into what he was doing with the Suliban and Archer.
 
Jaro Stun said:
Greetings,

I just had a thought and I decided to share also here...

Now that we know that Romulan homeworld has been destroyed by Hobus supernova event (ST 2009, ST:Countdown), and thus is not around in 27th-28th centrury (from where pressumably the future guy, giving orders to Silik is from) it allstarts to make some sense.
Romulans may be trying to use temporal technology to alter events in such a fashion, that Hobus incident would be avoided, BUT the timeline would not be altered significantly up until that point.
This may be reason why the manipulation was rather subtle, and the FG didn;t want Archer dead /Enterprise destroyed, or mess in any other drastic way with the timeline (e.g. giving Romulans a decisive advantages or crippling their opponents).

It is possible, that without the Federation, there would be no Red matter and no way to stop the Hobus event...

The Federation / Temporal fleet (Daniels) of course opposes this for two reasons:
1.) Temporal prime directive
but most importantly
2.) Destruction of Romulan homeworld appears to lead to significantly strenghtened position of Federation as the No.1 superpower of AQ (it seems in all future hints we've got, that the Federation by far is the strongest player - AGT/Endgame, and their only reasonable opposition are Klingons, who are not that powerful anymore...)
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First of all, Braga et. al never said anything about FutureGuy being a Romulan until well after the show was cancelled. During the show, they had no idea who he was, because they didn't come up with the TCW idea on their own... that was a UPN idea. And when they did make a statement, they said they "felt" he was a Romulan, not that he "was" one. And this feeling also came about after going to conventions and hearing shitloads of fans saying, "Who was FutureGuy? Was he a Romulan?..."

This is called a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Second, why on Earth would a Romulan from the 27th-28th century give a shit about Romulus being destroyed in the 24th? Do you care about anything that happened 300-400 years ago? Does it affect your life now? That's like saying some British guy from today is pissed off that the colonies broke away from England and became the United States. If Romulan people are still alive 400 years from the 24th century, they'd have had plenty of time to revive their species and move beyond the past.
 
That's ok then, so in Star Trek XIII Future Guy can reveal that he came back and saved Romulus... or maybe he already did and Nero just didn't realise it. Maybe they're all in a pocket dimension like Kryptonians or Daleks.
 
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Actually, that would have been f#cking amazing! Imagine the REAL two part finale - Archer VS his future self!

Just think about it... Part one ending with a cliffhanger, FG is revealed, a slow, dramatic close-up showing old Archers face... The guy is ful of hatred and resentment because he never could cope with the guilt over Trip killing himself just so he could give his miserable speech, T'Pol dying of trellium-D overdose after relapsing and Scotty killing his dog in a transporter mishap. :lol:
 
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