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Fusion Power for Really Real?

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I know this should technically be in Science and Technology, but the implications of this for, well, EVERYTHING, seem so huge to me that they go well beyond a niche interest in science and tech.

Lockheed says makes breakthrough on fusion energy project

Well, okay - so I know it's barely even a prototype of a prototype. But still, this is Lockheed Martin's Skunkworks, not some investment scam or Pons-y (Fleischmann-y) scheme. ;) They have the science and say they'll have a working prototype inside of a year, I take that to mean that even accounting for them being on "government contract time", we'll see something real inside of 3-4 years.
 
"We've yet to build a prototype of a prototype of a prototype. It'll be smooth sailing from here, what could possibly go wrong?"
 
They need to get on the ball if they want to beat Mr. Fusion to market by next year!
 
Considering that even ITER isn't expected to do much until the late 2020s (if major problems can even be solved) I'm not that enthusiastic.

Hasn't "Fusion power will be ready in 20 years!" been said for like 50 years now?
 
Well, ITER is using a Tokamak-style reactor. Part of the point of this project is that it's *not* a Tokamak, it's a different approach.
 
If (and that's a really big if) it turns out to be true and they're really about 10 years from a large scale, commercially viable fusion reactor Lockheed will jumpstart itself to become the biggest company in the world.

I really hope it happens because it has the potential to affect humanity the same way the wheel, the printing press and the Internet did.

If it's real.
 
They have top men working on it... Top Men.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdjf4lMmiiI[/yt]
 
Considering that even ITER isn't expected to do much until the late 2020s (if major problems can even be solved) I'm not that enthusiastic.

Hasn't "Fusion power will be ready in 20 years!" been said for like 50 years now?

Strong AI has been "just around the corner" for, I don't know, 30 or 40 years now, too. :lol:
 
I thing that Lockheed fusion is pretty much a hoax. Now with fusion developed by ITER it's more problem with money. If they had more money they could do it faster.

Here I made I 10-mins video to inspire peoples interest in fusion development and what it would mean for the whole human kind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am8GdjXvABY
 
I don't know if this Lockheed project will pan out exactly as they say (though I wish them well), but I am a little more hopeful about the possibility of practical fusion energy in my lifetime now than in the past since certain hurdles have been overcome recently, and there's a more concerted global effort underway to find a means to exploit fusion energy.
 
hey look I think this is important. Nuclear fusion is not a matter of science fiction anymore, people in ITER are going to achieve it but until it comes in commercial use it will pass few decades probably in 2060s and all that because of financial and bureaucratic issues. That will probably be too late time-frame to save gorillas and rhinos because they'll natural habitats will be destroyed by oil drilling and wars that fusion can prevent not to mention destroyed human lives by pollution and diseases it carries with it. Is this the world we want to live in and let our children live in? That they weren't among the lucky few that could build themselves fortresses of money to isolate them from pollution? How do you look at the face of a child that has a cancer thinking you could have prevented it? It is all up to our generation to urge the ruling class to hurry this nuclear fusion project like they once did Manhattan project or Apollo.
Haven't we learned anything from watching Star Trek?! If we can not imagine better future and see human potential and what it can do then who can?

Let me just end with a quote from plasma physicist Francis Chen's book "An Indispensable Truth: How Fusion Power Can Save the Planet":
"The International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor, ITER, is being supported by seven nations representing more than half the world’s population. Costing some $21 billion and located in France, it will test sustainability of a fusion reaction – a continuous “burn.” It is to be completed in 2020 and operated for ten years or more. Another large machine will be needed simultaneously to solve engineering problems not included in the ITER project.
After that, the first power-producing fusion reactor, DEMO, is planned, but not before the year 2050. The path is clear, but the rate of progress is limited by financial resources. In the USA, fusion has been ignored by both the public and Congress, mainly because of the lack of information about this highly technical subject. People just do not understand what fusion is and how important it is. Books have been written light-heartedly dismissing fusion as pure fantasy. The fact is that progress on fusion reactors has been steady and spectacular. The 50-year time scale presently planned for the development of fusion power can be shortened by a concerted international effort at a level justified by the magnitude of the problem. It is time to stop spinning our wheels with temporary solutions. [...]

The situation can be compared – or contrasted – with that of the Apollo program to put a man on the moon. In that program, the physics was already known: Newton’s laws of motion covered all the physics that was needed. In the case of fusion, it took over 50 years to establish the science of plasma physics, to develop fast computers, and to understand the physics of magnetic confinement; but we have done it. In the Apollo case, there were engineering problems whose solutions could not be fully tested. Could the nose cone material stand up to the heat of reentry? Can humans survive long periods without gravity and then the stress of reentry? Will micrometeorites puncture the space suits of the astronauts? It was a dangerous experiment, but President Kennedy pushed ahead, and it succeeded marvelously. In the case of fusion, we do not know yet how to build each part of a reactor, but the only way to get this ideal source of energy is to push on ahead. The expense will be comparable to Apollo’s, but at least no human lives are endangered.
The path to a commercial fusion reactor has been studied intensely in the past decade. There are three or four steps: (1) the ITER experiment now being built, (2) one or more large machines for solving engineering problems, (3) DEMO, a prototype reactor built to run like a real reactor but not producing full power, and (4) FPP, fusion power plant, a full-size reactor built and operated by the utilities industry."
 
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