Fury Stupidity

[Joeman]

I can't understand why anyone would try to explain or defend that insulting, flawed piece of s**t that is "Fury".

I don't know why you're so surprised Lynx. I feel the same way about DS9's Valiant and TNG's Emergence, but people out there actually do like them. No episode is universally liked or universally hated.

Despite how well it's explained, I'll never much care for Fury either.

 

[Udat]

Need I mention Threshold, universally DISLIKED! Oh the horror!

 

[Adm_Hawthorne]

Need I mention Threshold, universally DISLIKED! Oh the horror!

"Threshold"? Nope, never happened...

Lynx, I still don't like "Fury", but I like the explication that exodus gave because, to me, it makes perfect sense.

 

[Udat]

Need I mention Threshold, universally DISLIKED! Oh the horror!

"Threshold"? Nope, never happened...

Lynx, I still don't like "Fury", but I like the explication that exodus gave because, to me, it makes perfect sense.

Should I poll it? Lynx versus exodus!

 

[Guy Gardener]

here's an off thought.

Kes insisted that she was too young to make informed decisions and be dragged along for a ride on Janeways mad quest home. Consider then what must have been her negative feelings towards Neelix who was continuously talking her into taking her clothes off and laying with him night after night? Surely she was smiting the wrong people in the wrong order.

it was obvious that she was conflicted over the bloke, she wanted to destroy him as much as the rest of the crew, but still his humour and good nature got through her defences, but I think Kes' anger should have been directed more so at Neelix because he's responsible for a more culpable violation of her childhood than the lady who conscripted her.

One year old Kes joining Voyager was like the Borg assimilated 7 year old Anika Hansen. Both little girls were powerless to argue any reason why not to sign up to their respective fates.

Though Kes blamed Janeway for pursuing her telepathic abilities. That's bollocks. It was Tuvok who pushed her down that realm of interest. or did Tuvok only do so because Janeway told him that she wanted to turn the little blonde girl into a weapon? Rather unlikely don't you think? So was Tuvok receiving the ghostings of the future from kes's huge mind bleeding this way and that like Lwaxanna Troi when her libido spilt over drenching the DS9 crew in Fascination, or was it the crew of voyager from the alternate future time line (the time line persisted to exist after Kes went back so it was mirror and not over written.) we saw from the teaser who were actually trying to warn the mirror universe which kes jaunted off into that they should be afeared?

If Kes wasn't changing her own timeline, then what the hell was she playing at? how is what kes did any different from what Admiral Janeway later went on to do in Endgame and was regaled as a hero. At least Picard in tapestry when he attempted to amend his own history he wasn't mashing about sideways in time mincing with hypotheticals but actually did go backwards.

If she knew it was a sideways trip into a mirror universe, then that means that no one is any one she knows or has met before and killing them is no skin off her nose, but alternately if these are not the people who screwed her over then, then the vengeance is injustly applied despite that saving this other Kes seems like a noble thing to do for the most part from her irrational point of view.

 

[Joeman]

Need I mention Threshold, universally DISLIKED! Oh the horror!

I've seen a number of people on these forums say they like it. But yeah, that one is about as close it gets.

 

[Udat]

Who? They must be blind and deaf!

 

[Lynx]

Need I mention Threshold, universally DISLIKED! Oh the horror!

"Threshold"? Nope, never happened...

Lynx, I still don't like "Fury", but I like the explication that exodus gave because, to me, it makes perfect sense.

"Threshold": Never happened. It was a nightmare Paris had after eating too much of Neelix's food after a late shift.

"Fury": The creature which showed up in that episode, pretending to be Kes was a being from an alternate universe or Suspiria in disguise.

Two ways of overwriting two episodes we could live without.

 

[Adm_Hawthorne]

Need I mention Threshold, universally DISLIKED! Oh the horror!

"Threshold"? Nope, never happened...

Lynx, I still don't like "Fury", but I like the explication that exodus gave because, to me, it makes perfect sense.

"Threshold": Never happened. It was a nightmare Paris had after eating too much of Neelix's food after a late shift.

"Fury": The creature which showed up in that episode, pretending to be Kes was a being from an alternate universe or Suspiria in disguise.

Two ways of overwriting two episodes we could live without.

While we're at it, "Fairhaven" and "Spirit Folk" were caused by Kathryn drinking old coffee before going to bed.

 

[teya]

"Threshold"? Nope, never happened...

Lynx, I still don't like "Fury", but I like the explication that exodus gave because, to me, it makes perfect sense.

"Threshold": Never happened. It was a nightmare Paris had after eating too much of Neelix's food after a late shift.

"Fury": The creature which showed up in that episode, pretending to be Kes was a being from an alternate universe or Suspiria in disguise.

Two ways of overwriting two episodes we could live without.

While we're at it, "Fairhaven" and "Spirit Folk" were caused by Kathryn drinking old coffee before going to bed.

Now if only we could find a way to remove "Tattoo"....

 

[Adm_Hawthorne]

"Threshold": Never happened. It was a nightmare Paris had after eating too much of Neelix's food after a late shift.

"Fury": The creature which showed up in that episode, pretending to be Kes was a being from an alternate universe or Suspiria in disguise.

Two ways of overwriting two episodes we could live without.

While we're at it, "Fairhaven" and "Spirit Folk" were caused by Kathryn drinking old coffee before going to bed.

Now if only we could find a way to remove "Tattoo"....

Bad holonovel created by a race of beings dedicated to pissing everyone off in as short amount of time as possible.

 

[Lynx]

"Threshold": Never happened. It was a nightmare Paris had after eating too much of Neelix's food after a late shift.

"Fury": The creature which showed up in that episode, pretending to be Kes was a being from an alternate universe or Suspiria in disguise.

Two ways of overwriting two episodes we could live without.

While we're at it, "Fairhaven" and "Spirit Folk" were caused by Kathryn drinking old coffee before going to bed.

Now if only we could find a way to remove "Tattoo"....

I agree on that one. It should be re-written as follows:

Chakotay shuttle has crashed on an inhabited planet which reminds him a lot of the rain forests he visited as a child.

While he's trying to overcome the dangers ofv the nature and defeds himself against hostile creatures (angry big lizards, bear-like creatures or something similar) he remembers his childhood, his conflicts with his father and how he finally turned back to the traditions of his tribe, in this case a real tribe, maybe the Maya. Not some Hollywood mumbo-jumbo.

At the same time Voyager is looking for him but the crew are having problems with the weather conditions. Finally they find Chakotay and he's rescued in a dangerous situation.

The sub-plot with The Doctor's simulated flu could stay because that and the glimpses of Chakotay's childhood actually saved the original episode from a total disaster.

 

[Guy Gardener]

That would be good.

How about this though...

mash Tattoo withelements of TNG Who Watches the watches?

After Chakotay saves saves a big village of primitives, they rever him by all replicating his tattoo in honor of his heroism. Which is of course a PD violation in the there abouts of cultural contamination. And Tuvok rips him a new one for being so naughty.

But Chuckles gets to say something like "Yes, this is a symbol, but it's not the symbol you think it is", and then he tells the story about his boyhood."=

 

[Trilliam]

Short term memory isusually the first thing to "go". Why do you think that they ask a person being assessed: What day, year, where they are, why they are there, how many children, grandchildren & their birthdays, than about current affairs of the day etc?

 

[Udat]

Gawd Tattoo was bad!

 

[Miss Chicken]

I can't understand why anyone would try to explain or defend that insulting, flawed piece of s**t that is "Fury".

Is any of your anger over this episode directed at Jennifer Lien? After all she agreed to take the part and it is said that she had input into the story.

 

[exodus]

"Threshold"? Nope, never happened...

Lynx, I still don't like "Fury", but I like the explication that exodus gave because, to me, it makes perfect sense.

"Threshold": Never happened. It was a nightmare Paris had after eating too much of Neelix's food after a late shift.

"Fury": The creature which showed up in that episode, pretending to be Kes was a being from an alternate universe or Suspiria in disguise.

Two ways of overwriting two episodes we could live without.

While we're at it, "Fairhaven" and "Spirit Folk" were caused by Kathryn drinking old coffee before going to bed.

I actually like those two eps. & think they're funny.


*ducks rotten tomatoes & eggs*

 

[Adm_Hawthorne]

You are not alone. I'm just really dislike them. It's like pulling teeth to me to watch them.

 

[exodus]

You are not alone. I'm just really dislike them. It's like pulling teeth to me to watch them.

I also find it ironic that the same actor from one of the best Trek eps. is also in what's considered one of the worst.

"Inner Light": the actor that plays Picards best friend is also the bum that keeps begging Tom for money to go drinking.


As far as Tattoo, here's a solution from someone who is part Native American: How about we don't explore Chakotay's heritage at all? That way, they won't be any offences or mistakes. Besides, they never explored the culture of Sulu or Uhura or Riker or Bashir..... Why suddenly did those in charge feel the need to explore Native American culture when they never bothered with any other Earth based culture before?

 

[teya]

As far as Tattoo, here's a solution from someone who is part Native American: How about we don't explore Chakotay's heritage at all? That way, they won't be any offences or mistakes. Besides, they never explored the culture of Sulu or Uhura or Riker or Bashir..... Why suddenly did those in charge feel the need to explore Native American culture when they never bothered with any other Earth based culture before?

Because we're *exotic*.