^ I caught that, too. I imagine it was a subtle way the writers had of signaling to the audience that the opening scenes were of the alternate U.
Fringe: "Jacksonville" 2/4/10 - Grading & Discussion
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Did it look like that guy was only kept from being swept into that building by his grip on Olivia's ass? Lucky bastard.
Ah. Well then, I feel for those poor bastards in the Alternate Universe if they don't have proper java.
On the other side, instead of coffee shops called Starbucks on every other corner, they have bubble tea shops on every other corner called Adamas.
How are more people not watching this show? Sure, this started out Dollhouse-slow but it's created/written by the same people who gave us Lost and the new Star Trek movie. Granted, it stuttered a bit in the first season but this show has really turned into pretty dependable, consistent entertainment.
As for this episode: 8/10. A notch below what I gave the Lost season premiere but still very good, Can't wait until April.
As for this episode: 8/10. A notch below what I gave the Lost season premiere but still very good, Can't wait until April.
Probably excluded under most as an "act of God"...thought it was supposed to human believers raptured, not buildings.
So, it's the Watchmen-verse?
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I'd suspect that removing it from the schedule for months doesn't help. Networks are so "new programming happy" they forget than "out of sight" often equals "out of mind" for todays audiences.
Average for a mythology episode. After episodes like "August" and "Grey Matters" this felt like bit of a limp offering especially going into a 2 month hiatus.
I found the stuff in Jacksonville with Walter and Olivia to be very uninteresting and the mumbo jumbo stuff with overcoming the obstacle inside her head was very tired. Newton was not much more than a cameo same for Nina.
The only really exciting moments that re-engaged my attention was the ticking clock with the hotel and what would happen next and of course Olivia finding out Peter is from the alternate universe. I also liked the brief hints into the other universe--the double decker cars, Nixon on a coin, coffee appears to be hard to get possibly due to the Blight.
I will say this 4 episode stretch was a decent group of shows for the most part but I still think Fringe needs to become heavily serialized and focused on the mythology.
I found the stuff in Jacksonville with Walter and Olivia to be very uninteresting and the mumbo jumbo stuff with overcoming the obstacle inside her head was very tired. Newton was not much more than a cameo same for Nina.
The only really exciting moments that re-engaged my attention was the ticking clock with the hotel and what would happen next and of course Olivia finding out Peter is from the alternate universe. I also liked the brief hints into the other universe--the double decker cars, Nixon on a coin, coffee appears to be hard to get possibly due to the Blight.
I will say this 4 episode stretch was a decent group of shows for the most part but I still think Fringe needs to become heavily serialized and focused on the mythology.
That is a Thursday and Fringe is on a Thursday!!!
Could Nixon's presidency be the point of divergence in this other reality? Perhaps Watergate never occurred or something else happened for Nixon to be revered enough to be put on currency. It would coincide with the time period when Bell and Bishop began their experiments.
Maybe he survives Watergate or Watergate never happens.
I had to double check, but I just watched my recording and I confirmed that the caption said MANHATAN. So either the other reality spells things differently or the caption writer needs someone to proof read their work.
Noticed that too. I guess in the alternate reality Manhatan is a part of New Yorck City.
NCC1701MF said:I had to double check, but I just watched my recording and I confirmed that the caption said MANHATAN. So either the other reality spells things differently or the caption writer needs someone to proof read their work
Thank you! I noticed that and couldn't believe they misspelled. Didn't think right then that it was the other Manhattan.
Checkmate
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I think it's best to assume the former because, as we all know, those captions -- much like subtitles -- are checked and double-checked vigorously to insure complete accuracy and, should there ever be a mistake (incredibly rare as that may be), the person responsible is immediately fired after being flogged by his superiors.I had to double check, but I just watched my recording and I confirmed that the caption said MANHATAN. So either the other reality spells things differently or the caption writer needs someone to proof read their work
So, clearly, it must be that the other universe spells it Manhatan and in no way can it even remotely be a simple typing error. Instead it was craftily slipped in by the show's writers as a super secret clubhouse clue just for the unbelievably rare few who need to use the captions.
Certainly i would think Watergate doens't happen..since he would have won easily without it, Nixon could have focused more on China. perhpas after the death of Mao in 1976, Nixon could have influenced China to make it jump to capitalism a generation sooner, and thus accelrate the destruction of communism in the Sovet Union. Having both connected to Nixon could have elevated him higher than Ronald Reagan (to some people)
The best episodes are Walter/Peter episodes. The problem with them is that showing Walter as mentally ill makes Walter the Invincible Mad Scientist, Jack of All Laboratory Trades, completely unbelievable. I don't really believe Walter could have figured out they had thirty five hours. Obviously he just read it in the script.
Overall, the episode was pretty blah. Olivia isn't very interesting at the best of times. Super Olivia is downright tiresome. The conceit of seeing but not recognizing herself was rather heavy handed, I thought. The arbitrary way that, at the last convenient moment for maximum plot jeopardy reconcilable with a happy ending, Olivia suddenly regained her supervision was really tacky. "Hanging a lantern on it," as Marty in SG1's 200 episode calls it, doesn't work on something so solemn as Fringe. It takes a light touch to sell an in joke as a major plot point, and light is not in Fringe's DNA.
Olivia's decisions about what to do about the Peter might actually giver her character a real dramatic role, though. So the last three minutes were worth the admission price.
Overall, the episode was pretty blah. Olivia isn't very interesting at the best of times. Super Olivia is downright tiresome. The conceit of seeing but not recognizing herself was rather heavy handed, I thought. The arbitrary way that, at the last convenient moment for maximum plot jeopardy reconcilable with a happy ending, Olivia suddenly regained her supervision was really tacky. "Hanging a lantern on it," as Marty in SG1's 200 episode calls it, doesn't work on something so solemn as Fringe. It takes a light touch to sell an in joke as a major plot point, and light is not in Fringe's DNA.
Olivia's decisions about what to do about the Peter might actually giver her character a real dramatic role, though. So the last three minutes were worth the admission price.
End of season cliffhanger
Duh. It's my birthday. I'm flattered that Walter and William would think to remember.
Oh. Well, there's that, too.
Now, everyone here knows where I'll be that night!
It was a fantastic episode. Best episode since "August."
