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Fringe: "Concentrate and Ask Again" 2/4 on FOX - Grading & Discussion

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Re: Fringe: "Concentrate and Ask Again" 2/4 on FOX - Grading & Discuss

Season one Heroes only had one really good single episode, Company Man. I could stretch a point to accept Five Years Gone, although Badass Hiro was neither believable nor attractive. But in s sense the whole first season was just one story, itself a standalone, in a manner of speaking, and the multiple episodes were just a concession to the need of the audience to eat, sleep, etc. When they extended the story into a real series, including the characters whose stories were actually finished, sure enough, the quality dropped, catastrophically, directly as a function of serialization.
I have to disagree. S1 of Heroes was one of if not the most consistent season of tv ever.--sff or otherwise--all the episodes were at least decent and there wasn't one bad or awful episode to be had.. There was virtually no filler, the story moved along at a good clip and had plenty of intriguing mysteries, effective attention-grabbing cliffhangers. I'll grant you the series was very plot-centric and the characters were mainly there to provide exposition and be action figures but at least they were enjoyable unlike the Fringe cast.

Also in S1 Heroes favor was the fact that its season one arc was narratively coherent and when all the pieces came together it made sense as a whole.

The problem with Heroes later on was the writing. The S1 characters had completed their journey for the sake of the particular story Kring had envisioned but NBC forced him to keep them around and he obviously didn't want to write about them anymore. Also the writers crammed way too much story into later seasons. They didn't realize that they should have introduced two or three parallel storylines to span the season the way traditional dramas had been doing for years. Instead they didn't bother to develop them or give them satisfying payoffs but rather they jumped from one to the next treating them as plot points.
Lost was a catastrophe of Biblical proportions.
As a Whole--yes it is. But it was quite entertaining watching it unfold and that counts for something even if in hindsight a lot of it were dead-end threads, non-answers or twists just for the sake of a twist. However I'd be remiss in mentioning that they did do a pretty good job at season long arcs like S1 or S4 with the Escape from the Island framing it or S5 in introducing some threads that were resolved rather immediately and not carried over until the very end and never getting payoff.
 
Re: Fringe: "Concentrate and Ask Again" 2/4 on FOX - Grading & Discuss

I'm a little disappointed with the last two episodes. IMO, Fringe is at its best when it focuses on Olivia, Walter and even on some of the secondary characters like Broyles, Nina, Astrid and their alt-selves. I've never been a big fan of Peter, nor of the Peter/Olivia/Altlivia love triangle. The way things are going, I may very well dislike season 3's second half altogether.
 
Re: Fringe: "Concentrate and Ask Again" 2/4 on FOX - Grading & Discuss

Eh... This has to be an "Average" for me. I was expecting much better.

Biggest minuses:
- too much relationship angst. I had hoped we were over it, but it seems to be far from over.
- the fate of the universes hanging on the which Olivia that Peter chooses? Ugh, gag me with a spoon. I don't mind the relationship between Peter/Olivia, but to have it impact the core plot this much seems like a MAJOR mistake.
- the presence of a mind reader sabotages waaaay to many future plot points ("why didn't they bring in the mind reader to solve X?"), and he wasn't needed for this plot. With regular sleuthing and full access to the military records (which they got), it should have been easy to find out who were in the inoculated group, and who they could be targeting.

Of course there was some cool stuff too, but I really expected better. A weak "Average" for sure.

Which is also why I was so excited to see that next episode is an alternate reality episode - Yay! Less angst.
 
Re: Fringe: "Concentrate and Ask Again" 2/4 on FOX - Grading & Discuss

Which is also why I was so excited to see that next episode is an alternate reality episode - Yay! Less angst.
Less angst--unlikely just a different perspective on the love rectangle. Altlivia will experience conflicted felings over Peter and her mission. She'll hate having feelings for him and I'm sure they'll drag in her dull doctor boyfriend back into the picture in order to ramp up her emotional conflict--expect her to treat him to "welcome back sex" so she can get Peter out of her head and then probably realize it didn't do anything to change how she feels. Then throw in most likely a freak of the week plot only in the alt universe and the return of the dull alt Fringe team--it all adds up to yet another probably average episode. But I could be wrong.
 
Re: Fringe: "Concentrate and Ask Again" 2/4 on FOX - Grading & Discuss

Signs of a series failing - the local fox affiliate shifting the showing to 11pm on saturdays. Which mine is. :(:(:(
 
Re: Fringe: "Concentrate and Ask Again" 2/4 on FOX - Grading & Discuss

Signs of a series failing - the local fox affiliate shifting the showing to 11pm on saturdays. Which mine is. :(:(:(

All Foxs have been doing that all season long. They need something to fill in the spot when they canceled Mad TV and Wonda Sykes show.
 
Re: Fringe: "Concentrate and Ask Again" 2/4 on FOX - Grading & Discuss

Signs of a series failing - the local fox affiliate shifting the showing to 11pm on saturdays. Which mine is. :(:(:(
Those are repeats, first run eps still air in primetime on Fridays.
 
Re: Fringe: "Concentrate and Ask Again" 2/4 on FOX - Grading & Discuss

^um, no. not here. Though this coming week's episode does appear to be showing on friday.
 
Re: Fringe: "Concentrate and Ask Again" 2/4 on FOX - Grading & Discuss

So some super civilization builds a device that can create/destroy a universe and it uses the feelings of the user as a guide. Really? Guess the first people should have paid attention to the Krell.
 
Re: Fringe: "Concentrate and Ask Again" 2/4 on FOX - Grading & Discuss

So some super civilization builds a device that can create/destroy a universe and it uses the feelings of the user as a guide. Really? Guess the first people should have paid attention to the Krell.

I'm pretty sure that isn't the case, it's just a lame thing the writers want us to think...

I hope...
 
Re: Fringe: "Concentrate and Ask Again" 2/4 on FOX - Grading & Discuss

Average episode with lame implications for the overall plot. Bleh.
 
Re: Fringe: "Concentrate and Ask Again" 2/4 on FOX - Grading & Discuss

Yeah, the more I think about it, the less I like how the focal point of the season has been Peter/Olivia/Fauxlivia.........this is one show where they would have been waaaaay better off avoiding all romance between the main characters. An occasional flirt or hint at a relationship would have been Ok, but this show really thrives on the mythology heavy story-lines or even the good stand alone freak even to the week type episodes. This long, drawn out love triangle pretty much sucks.
 
Re: Fringe: "Concentrate and Ask Again" 2/4 on FOX - Grading & Discuss

So some super civilization builds a device that can create/destroy a universe and it uses the feelings of the user as a guide. Really? Guess the first people should have paid attention to the Krell.

Maybe the First People were the Krell.
 
Re: Fringe: "Concentrate and Ask Again" 2/4 on FOX - Grading & Discuss

The mind reader didn't need to tell Olivia that Peter still has feelings for Fauxlivia. The note could've said "Peter killed the shapeshifters" and the end result still would've been the same, only without the melodrama.
 
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