Yes, he was at JFK Airport to see the Enterprise. We've been over that.
Sorry, I must've been on the fake Delta-Vega when that happened.
There is no Delta Vega.
Good God, man - did Nero blow that up too?
Fringe 4x20 - "Worlds Apart" (Live Commentary, Spoilers)
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Good God, man - did Nero blow that up too?
I keep thinking back to the fact that shortly after filming began on the new movie (back in January) Abrams invited Nimoy to visit the set, which he did, and I couldn't help but wonder then if perhaps J.J. was planning on getting him to do a Spock cameo of some sorts.
Now I wonder if this isn't where Belly's return might've been discussed.
Nimoy looked really good at JFK today. Even better than other recent times. Very good to see that.
Wow... what a Fringe episode! Very sad to see the "other side" closed up. It really feels like Fringe is breaking down for the final moments, tying up loose ends. Jones continues into the next double episode finale. I wish there was another season lined up, but... feels like there isn't.
Wow... what a Fringe episode! Very sad to see the "other side" closed up. It really feels like Fringe is breaking down for the final moments, tying up loose ends. Jones continues into the next double episode finale. I wish there was another season lined up, but... feels like there isn't.
Nimoy looked really good at JFK today. Even better than other recent times. Very good to see that.
Wow... what a Fringe episode! Very sad to see the "other side" closed up. It really feels like Fringe is breaking down for the final moments, tying up loose ends. Jones continues into the next double episode finale. I wish there was another season lined up, but... feels like there isn't.
Well, there will be a half season coming up.
This was an excellent Fringe episode in my opinion. I loved all the character interactions, and there was science this week 
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Firstly, I absolutely loved Walter's powerpoint presentation, not only because it was old-school, but because there was some very interesting and game-changing fringey science involved.
Secondly, the character interactions in this episode were fantastic, from the two Walters to Peter and Lincoln, and even the brief moments between the two Olivias and the two Astrids. I felt like Anna Torv's acting in the interrogation scene with Nick Lane was some of her best as her emotion really came across and you could clearly tell how very invested Olivia is in saving the universes.
Thirdly, Nick Lane is one sneaky, deceiving son-of-a-... well you can probably guess the rest of that. I had a bad feeling about the warehouse from the moment he mentioned it. I thought 'you're going to let a guy who tried to help Jones collapse the universes blindly lead you to some random warehouse; that's a brilliant idea.' Clearly it was not. But now Nick Lane is out on the streets again, which begs the question what happens to the rest of the Cortexiphan children (Sally? James Heath?) in the upcoming episodes?
Lastly, the final scene with the bridge was heartbreaking, seeing all the characters and their doubles part ways. I wasn't surprised by Lincoln's choice to stay on the Other Side, as he's grown quite close to Altlivia.
And of course: what would Fringe be without a little LSD?
Now I wonder: what does next week's episode entail? What becomes of the two universes and of Jones's agenda? And will that future with the Observers actually come to pass?
This is a great lead-in to what is sure to be a fantastic season finale. And here's to season 5!
.Firstly, I absolutely loved Walter's powerpoint presentation, not only because it was old-school, but because there was some very interesting and game-changing fringey science involved.
Secondly, the character interactions in this episode were fantastic, from the two Walters to Peter and Lincoln, and even the brief moments between the two Olivias and the two Astrids. I felt like Anna Torv's acting in the interrogation scene with Nick Lane was some of her best as her emotion really came across and you could clearly tell how very invested Olivia is in saving the universes.
Thirdly, Nick Lane is one sneaky, deceiving son-of-a-... well you can probably guess the rest of that. I had a bad feeling about the warehouse from the moment he mentioned it. I thought 'you're going to let a guy who tried to help Jones collapse the universes blindly lead you to some random warehouse; that's a brilliant idea.' Clearly it was not. But now Nick Lane is out on the streets again, which begs the question what happens to the rest of the Cortexiphan children (Sally? James Heath?) in the upcoming episodes?
Lastly, the final scene with the bridge was heartbreaking, seeing all the characters and their doubles part ways. I wasn't surprised by Lincoln's choice to stay on the Other Side, as he's grown quite close to Altlivia.
And of course: what would Fringe be without a little LSD?
Now I wonder: what does next week's episode entail? What becomes of the two universes and of Jones's agenda? And will that future with the Observers actually come to pass?
This is a great lead-in to what is sure to be a fantastic season finale. And here's to season 5!
Avlerage--the episode managed to answer a bunch of S1 and 4 unanswered questions(Jones' Plan, the purpose of the creature and ark, the cortexiphan kids) but the answers I found to be lame like the ones from last year surrounding the MacGuffin Machine, Sam Weiss, the First People and this season i.e. how Peter is still around=luurve. I really found the whole thing lacking.
Also by invoking the altered timeline excuse it basically allowed the writers to wave a magic wand and get them off the hook in regards to some S3 unanswered questions like how choosing which Olivia leads to which world survives or the significance of Peter's son with alt Olivia.
Fringe is just another show that proves the LOST style of storytelling is a loser--V, Flash Forward, The Event, The 4400, Alcatraz, LOST itself, nBSG's botched mythology, Herooes post S1, Vanished, Happy Town, Harpers Island, Invasion, The Nine, Kidnapped, Persons Unknown, Surface etc etc. Dragging these mysteries out only inevitably leads to a big letdown and just exposes how much of a waste of time it is to invest in these bloated and ultimately gratuitous mythologies that writers introduce but then treat as if they were annoying albatrosses and in the process by focusing so much airtime to them it shows an overreliance on these gimmicky elements(confusion, flashbacks, WTF twists for the sake of immediate gratification with no care to them ultimately making sense or developing into something more) rather than smart intelligent focused writing.
In the days before LOST and its brethren tv shows could actually have heavy serialization without the need for unnecessarily complicated and unwieldy mythologies that dragged on for years. Those programs set up interesting season long arcs with straightforward serialization and resolved everything by the end of the season in a satisfying way.
The only thing this season has done with the alternate timeline scenario is allow for more tolerable characterizations of a previously bland cast of characters. I actually enjoyed the spattering of brief scenes with the characters interacting too bad this wasn't the case early on--buit they weren't nearly enough to compensate for the plethora of other weaknesses in evidence in not only this episode or this season but for the series spanning mythology itself.
If anything this episode just cemented the fact that these particular set of writers are incapable of providing a satisfying resolution and that I shouldn't expect anything but more of the same next season--no thanks.
Also by invoking the altered timeline excuse it basically allowed the writers to wave a magic wand and get them off the hook in regards to some S3 unanswered questions like how choosing which Olivia leads to which world survives or the significance of Peter's son with alt Olivia.
Fringe is just another show that proves the LOST style of storytelling is a loser--V, Flash Forward, The Event, The 4400, Alcatraz, LOST itself, nBSG's botched mythology, Herooes post S1, Vanished, Happy Town, Harpers Island, Invasion, The Nine, Kidnapped, Persons Unknown, Surface etc etc. Dragging these mysteries out only inevitably leads to a big letdown and just exposes how much of a waste of time it is to invest in these bloated and ultimately gratuitous mythologies that writers introduce but then treat as if they were annoying albatrosses and in the process by focusing so much airtime to them it shows an overreliance on these gimmicky elements(confusion, flashbacks, WTF twists for the sake of immediate gratification with no care to them ultimately making sense or developing into something more) rather than smart intelligent focused writing.
In the days before LOST and its brethren tv shows could actually have heavy serialization without the need for unnecessarily complicated and unwieldy mythologies that dragged on for years. Those programs set up interesting season long arcs with straightforward serialization and resolved everything by the end of the season in a satisfying way.
The only thing this season has done with the alternate timeline scenario is allow for more tolerable characterizations of a previously bland cast of characters. I actually enjoyed the spattering of brief scenes with the characters interacting too bad this wasn't the case early on--buit they weren't nearly enough to compensate for the plethora of other weaknesses in evidence in not only this episode or this season but for the series spanning mythology itself.
If anything this episode just cemented the fact that these particular set of writers are incapable of providing a satisfying resolution and that I shouldn't expect anything but more of the same next season--no thanks.
This episode just felt like what it was.
It was just made to write out the alternate universe plots and now focus on the future timeline plot(for 13 episodes)
It was just made to write out the alternate universe plots and now focus on the future timeline plot(for 13 episodes)
Saw it land on the test landing, waaaay back when. Still have the parking pass to Edwards AFB.
The Walten(ate) scene was very affecting, they telegraphed Lincoln's "home is where the heart is" moment, but accomplished so much so well I had to go with Excellent.
LSD?
LSD?
I thought it was a grand episode. I especially liked how Lincoln and Peter are having a talk and then the camera constantly includes a mirror in every shot that includes Lincoln. He is always shown with that reflection whereas Peter does not have one. Then there was the off the cuff remark on Lincoln needing help finding an apartment. The whole farewell seemed rather sad and DRJ really needs to be put in a bad place. Although I did like the whole LSD remark after Walter drugged alter-Nick Lane.
After sleeping on it, I think you've hit the nail on the head there, Samurai. That's exactly what this was, leading up to a finale that IF the show hadn't been renewed, would've given enough closure to cover most of the things that had been touched upon in the last four seasons. So I now firmly believe that the one dangling plot thread Lance Reddick referred to, the one that could be further explored if they did get renewed, is the future angle.
And with the gate closed, it does seem that our universe is on its own in regard to the coming Observer invasion.
It's become apparent that the writers intend to finish the parallel universe/David Robert Jones storyline by the end of this season... only to start with that "Observer invasion from the future" stuff next season, I suppose.
I gave the episode an excellent; mostly for the intro, with Walter's presentation, and the end, with the character interactions, and expecially the little wave alt-Astrid gave herself. The rating was almost dragged down by how stupid everyone was with the warehouse deceit.
The only question that I had was why did they leave it ONLY to Olivia to convince Nick Lane that he'd been lied to? Why not just introduce him to Alt Nick Lane or FauxLivia for that matter?
All he might have needed for real proof was evidence that he'd been lied to and that his help would make him a hero.
All he might have needed for real proof was evidence that he'd been lied to and that his help would make him a hero.
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