Fringe 4x01 - "Neither Here Nor There" (Discussion, Spoilers)

[RAMA]

Peter is stuck in the TOS episode "the Tholian Web", and McCoy and Spock are going to have to work together to get him back!

 

[Procutus]

^


And he'll appear to Asteroid when she's at home changing into her nightgown!

 

[Ayelbourne]

So until the Watcher uses his Radio Shack device to erase Peter from time*, both Peters did exist, and Walter did cross over to steal Alt-Peter (the one we've seen for the last three seasons), but fails to save him. So you still have the foundation intact for why the Walters distrust each other and all that, you just don't have Peter involved in anything past the kidnapping. At least that's my interpretation.

Plus it explains why Walter doesn't recognize adult Peter as well as Walter's "Sometimes people die twice." remark.

 

[AvBaur]

To review this episode, I'm gonna go with the title: 'Neither Here Nor There'

There is some interesting stuff, but the Peter-less universe didn't seem entirely convincing to me. I'm intigued but not exactly excited.

 

[Checkmate]

I was pretty bored during this.

Peter has had a much bigger impact on the outcome of both worlds (moreso in "ours" for long term effects) than they're portraying. So much of it just doesn't make any sense whatsoever with his absence.

 

[Forbin]

So they have a room between universes that they can just walk into now?

Handy!

 

[Captain Shaw]

Was the warehouse where Joe Flanigan got turned in to a irrus bug, I mean killed the same one stargate Atlantis used for a bit of the Genii home world?

 

[CaptainCanada]

I will say, I sort of think it was a mistake to include the first scene with Fauxlivia, given how the rest of the episode was structured. It was a good scene on its own, but the episode as a whole is more or less from Lincoln Lee's POV and builds up to his first encounter with the other side, personified by Fauxlivia; it would have been more effective if we hadn't seen her before that point.

 

[Gotham Central]

If Peter is gone, why can't we get Charlie back? If time can be rewritten so that Oliva and Lincoln's original meeting did not happen...why not save Charlie and have both versions of Fringe Division have the same players.

Additionally...thatcwas a real waste of Joe Flannigan. One can only hope that there was more to it than what we saw.

 

[CaptainCanada]

Kirk Acevedo is a regular on the new Prime Suspect, so you won't be seeing much of him anymore (he said that contractually he could do maybe three or four episodes), assuming that show lasts.

 

[AvBaur]

(...), assuming that show lasts.

It probably won't: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/51331

 

[aelius]

Additionally...that was a real waste of Joe Flannigan. One can only hope that there was more to it than what we saw.

I kind of expect him to turn up on the AltFringe team. Or at least have Lincoln have to interact with the alternate version of him at some point.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

(...), assuming that show lasts.

It probably won't: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/51331

Am I missing something here?

 

[stj]

Most of the story emotional high points were about Olivia's feelings. I can't give a rat's ass about her feelings. Boring.

And erasing Peter as a shocker, then undoing the erasing so it has to be done again, is a really cheap way to resolve that.

 

[AJ86]

Below average. Fringe is better than this. All this episode does is make me hope they kill off Olivia and let us keep FauxLivia instead.

 

[AvBaur]

(...), assuming that show lasts.

It probably won't: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/51331

Am I missing something here?

Probably this line: “Prime Suspect” gave NBC the worst fall Thursday series premiere in its history.

I think that strongly suggests that the show might not last very long.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

^^ ahh, brain fart there, being in the Fringe with the partial quote I had read it as "assuming this show lasts".

 

[Procutus]

Below average. Fringe is better than this. All this episode does is make me hope they kill off Olivia and let us keep FauxLivia instead.

Well, her counterpart is far more interesting, I'll give you that.

 

[CaptainJack]

Can someone explain to me what was actually happening in that episode and what it might mean for what was done last season?

 

[The Habs Fan]

Above Average

It was a pretty good episode, but Fringe has done better.

By the way, is Joshua Jackson no longer credited? I don't remember seeing his name in the credits but I could've missed it.