Frank Miller completely loses the plot

[xortex]

I like Authority and the military and would love to see the Spartans played as bad guys. i think that that would be cool. To not like someone's art because you don't like them personally is wrong and vice versa.

 

[Captaindemotion]

^ I'm pretty sure Sci isn't saying he dislikes Miller's (or anyone's) art because he dislikes them personally.

 

[stj]

Re Brin on 300: If Brin's impression of Sparta was actually correct, the real question is why Sparta wasn't like most oppressive states where the ruling classes easily accepted Persian suzerainty in exchange for support of their privileges. And if his impression of Athens was correct, the real question is where the Athenian Empire came from.

Re 300: Imagining the ephors as a hideous rabble and Xerxes as a transvestite freak and Persians as demonic says everything you need to know.

Re Frank Miller completely losing the plot: How do we know he ever had it. From what I see of the Nolan version of Batman, which is apparently a blend of Miller and Insomnia, there's no reason to think Miller ever had the plot.

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[Haggis and tatties]

The “Occupy”movement, whether displaying itself on Wall Street or in the streets of Oakland (which has, with unspeakable cowardice, embraced it) is anything but an exercise of our blessed First Amendment. “Occupy” is nothing but a pack of louts, thieves, and rapists, an unruly mob, fed by Woodstock-era nostalgia and putrid false righteousness. These clowns can do nothing but harm America.

“Occupy” is nothing short of a clumsy, poorly-expressed attempt at anarchy, to the extent that the “movement” – HAH! Some “movement”, except if the word “bowel” is attached - is anything more than an ugly fashion statement by a bunch of iPhone, iPad wielding spoiled brats who should stop getting in the way of working people and find jobs for themselves.

This is no popular uprising. This is garbage. And goodness knows they’re spewing their garbage – both politically and physically – every which way they can find.

Wake up, pond scum. America is at war against a ruthless enemy.

Maybe, between bouts of self-pity and all the other tasty tidbits of narcissism you’ve been served up in your sheltered, comfy little worlds, you’ve heard terms like al-Qaeda and Islamicism.

And this enemy of mine — not of yours, apparently - must be getting a dark chuckle, if not an outright horselaugh - out of your vain, childish, self-destructive spectacle.

In the name of decency, go home to your parents, you losers. Go back to your mommas’ basements and play with your Lords Of Warcraft.

Or better yet, enlist for the real thing. Maybe our military could whip some of you into shape.

They might not let you babies keep your iPhones, though. Try to soldier on.

Schmucks.

I have no idea who this Miller is, from this thread i see he is involved in comics........as for his opinion i disagree with him 100%.......OM might not change the world, but they have succeeded in getting people talking about them, and more importantly talking about all the immoral assholes who dumped the world into this economic mess to simply line their own pockets.......For that i thank the OM and all the other similar protest happening around the globe.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

It's not a work of historical fiction. It is not reality. It is a work of fantasy. It doesn't have to be accurate

You misunderstand. I (and Brin) are not criticizing 300 for not being historically accurate; we are criticizing it for possessing particular inaccuracies that advance an authoritarian, militaristic agenda.

It's not inaccuracy that is bad, it's inaccuracy in the service of an immoral agenda that is bad.

Yeah, I don't think most people would argue with the taking of "creative license" when it comes to historical details. Doing it to tell a more dramatically effective story makes perfect sense. Doing it to push a hideously oppressive political agenda is pretty messed up.

 

[Sci]

Re Frank Miller completely losing the plot: How do we know he ever had it. From what I see of the Nolan version of Batman, which is apparently a blend of Miller and Insomnia,

I'm afraid your impression is mistaken. Nolan's Batman films encompass a lot of different influences -- Frank Miller's Batman: Year One is only one of them. Nolan's Batman is influenced by everything from Denny O'Neil's Batman: The Man Who Falls to Alan Moore's The Killing Joke to Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale's The Long Halloween.

 

[xortex]

Which detail of historic accuracy would have made the 300 more dramatically effective?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Which detail of historic accuracy would have made the 300 more dramatically effective?

read Robert Maxwell's post again.

 

[Trekker4747]

It's not a work of historical fiction. It is not reality. It is a work of fantasy. It doesn't have to be accurate

You misunderstand. I (and Brin) are not criticizing 300 for not being historically accurate; we are criticizing it for possessing particular inaccuracies that advance an authoritarian, militaristic agenda.

It's not inaccuracy that is bad, it's inaccuracy in the service of an immoral agenda that is bad.

Yeah, I don't think most people would argue with the taking of "creative license" when it comes to historical details. Doing it to tell a more dramatically effective story makes perfect sense. Doing it to push a hideously oppressive political agenda is pretty messed up.

Could've been worse, he could've have all the Spartan warriors admit they're not as bad-ass as Batman.

 

[Sci]

You misunderstand. I (and Brin) are not criticizing 300 for not being historically accurate; we are criticizing it for possessing particular inaccuracies that advance an authoritarian, militaristic agenda.

It's not inaccuracy that is bad, it's inaccuracy in the service of an immoral agenda that is bad.

Yeah, I don't think most people would argue with the taking of "creative license" when it comes to historical details. Doing it to tell a more dramatically effective story makes perfect sense. Doing it to push a hideously oppressive political agenda is pretty messed up.

Could've been worse, he could've hace all the Spartan warriors admit they're not as bad-ass as Batman.

Actually, that's a political agenda I wouldn't object to.

 

[Captaindemotion]

"We're the goddamn Spartans!"

 

[RJDiogenes]

"Are you retarded? We're the goddamn Spartans!"



Edit: Oops. Should have clicked for the next page.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Heh. Actually, it was a tie. Look at the time stamps.

 

[Captaindemotion]

^ Great minds think alike.

Then again, fools seldom differ.

 

[stj]

I'm afraid your impression is mistaken. Nolan's Batman films encompass a lot of different influences -- Frank Miller's Batman: Year One is only one of them. Nolan's Batman is influenced by everything from Denny O'Neil's Batman: The Man Who Falls to Alan Moore's The Killing Joke to Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale's The Long Halloween.

Thanks for the details. The only one I've of these I've read is Moore's.

 

[the G-man]

...in order to truly discuss Miller's post, one must be able to discuss the OWS movement itself: it's goals, its tactics, its membership....

Miller claimed that the Occupy Movement was, in essence, a bunch of criminals. The arrest records would seem to bear this out. There have been many, many, more arrests than one saw at a Tea Party rally, more than three hundred, in fact.

And that doesn't include the guy who shot at the White House and the protester who was found with a handgun in NYC this weekend.

All of which tends to make Miller look at least a bit less crazy than some have alleged.

I suppose one can say "yeah, but...you can't judge an entire movement by 300+ members."

However, the Occupy Movement wants us to think of them as some sort of unified force (hence, the "we are the 99%" rhetoric).

There is also the fact that there weren't 300 arrests of tea partiers.

Finally, it comes back to hypocrisy. There were far too many people, including celebrities and comic book professionals, who wanted to smear the entire "tea party" movement for things that had nothing to do with them (see, eg, the Giffords shooting). But when the "Occupy" clowns are found to have hundreds of thugs in their midst, many on the left suddenly says "oh, no, we can't have anyone generalize them. That wouldn't be civil."

Based on the arrests so far, Miller seems to be more accurate than, say, Janeane Garofalo.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

You forgot to blame the Occupy Movement for the floods in Thailand.

 

[the G-man]

That's stupid. They aren't in Thailand. The only thing the "Occupy" movement has in common with Thailand is an alleged propensity for child rape (using the same "guilt by association" theory that was so popular when discussing the Tea Party).

 

[David cgc]

That article you linked to on the White House shooting is embarrassing. He "may" have spent time at the camp? "One wonders" if he filled out registration paperwork? Well, golly, gee goddamn whiz, it's a shame the Wall Street Journal isn't some kind of journalistic organization with reporters and shit which might be expected to actually find out actual facts and then publish them. Then they might actually have something to say other than vague rumors and unsubstantiated innuendo.

 

[stj]

[But when the "Occupy" clowns are found to have hundreds of thugs in their midst, many on the left suddenly says "oh, no, we can't have anyone generalize them. That wouldn't be civil."

Based on the arrests so far, Miller seems to be more accurate than, say, Janeane Garofalo.

One wonders why they bother having trials if being arrested means you are guilty. Or, to put it another way, the Tea Party is racist scum bankrolled by people like the Koch brothers, and therefore the same kind of people as cops. Of course Tea partiers didn't get arrested, they were officially approved!