Frak Twilight.
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I liked the base ball. It was floundering jizm before that and forced tension after that. I have not been saturated by the "phenomenon" it's just shit.
Bah! Twilight is emo teenage girl rubbish. Buffy and Angel were miles better.
I'd so buy that T Shirt!
I'd so buy that T Shirt!
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Since the Tamil Tigers have carried out more suicide bombings than any other group in the world, it is more correct to link the tactic to them than to Muslim extremists, who are pale imitators. Thus, it would be more correct to say that RDM has a big hard on for Hindus (which, given the polytheistic nature of both the Colonial religion and the Bajoran faith, is probably more accurate).
Back to the actual topic, at which age does dating a older man teenage girl cease to be yucky and become romantic again? I assume that the yuck factor increases as the male's age does, but at some point there is a rollover and the yuck factor resets to zero.
Meyer wrote to a very specific audience. Teen girls. Overly romantic teen girls who like Anne Rice's before pre-conversion work. Unfortunately, these aren't the same teen girls who write extremely graphic Harry/Draco fanfics, many of whom also like Anne Rice's vampire books for totally different reasons.
Because she wrote to that audience, she overlooked some of the more subtle implications and possibilities of her story's premise in favor of a more simplistic uncomplicated fairy-tale romance. Which is why, it is so polarizing. Many people will watch it looking for a good vampire flick or read it looking for a good vampire book and lament the wasted potential. Others will go into it looking for uncomplicated fantasy romance and be perfectly happy.
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You know, I don't think I've ever seen this Theory of Yuck so succinctly explained. Well done!
It was meant to be simple to the point of fairy-tale. I get that. It still doesn't save it from being essentially rehashed drek, and thus receiving a royal frakking.
Just because a book is written to attract a particular audience does not excuse bad writing.
RobertScorpio
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Ummmmm....well, you almost had me. But who gets to decide what is and isn't good writing?
Rob
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RobertScorpio
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Literary critics.
Okay...just like Movie critics? Well, I have no love, at all, for movie critics. I find they have totally different tastes from the general public, and are usually pushing movies that end up being entirely over-rated. I think they let their own world views 'leak' into their review, and I think Literary Critics do too. It smacks of elitism.
Rob
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Forgive, I was being a smart ass, my friend.
I think that to a degree the only authority who can decide what 'good writing' is are a writer's fellow writers, as it is with any profession - you're only as good as you are compared to your peers. Of course there are egos and elitism involved, but there are certain trends that, beyond whether or not they are in vogue, when taken by the summation of a particular art form, are what defines 'good' and 'bad' art or writing.
I wouldn't say the public decides, because if the public likes you that's popularity rather than quality.
Does any of this explain why soup can silkscreens=art? No, but I digress.
I think that to a degree the only authority who can decide what 'good writing' is are a writer's fellow writers, as it is with any profession - you're only as good as you are compared to your peers. Of course there are egos and elitism involved, but there are certain trends that, beyond whether or not they are in vogue, when taken by the summation of a particular art form, are what defines 'good' and 'bad' art or writing.
I wouldn't say the public decides, because if the public likes you that's popularity rather than quality.
Does any of this explain why soup can silkscreens=art? No, but I digress.
How come it is both bad to be a smart ass and a dumb ass? Asses can't win. Poor Asses.
I didn't see the movie but read the novel: Garbage. I will say it's terribly written, and not because it's Young Adult fiction because there's YA stuff that is just as good as anything out there. Harry Potter being an example.
Twilight was horribly written because it's mispaced with long stretches of nothing but Bella whining and yearning. During most of it it kept getting stated and restated either that Edward was the most beautiful thing ever or that he was so incredibly dangerous to be around. Other characters exist solely to fawn over Bella and Edward. Jacob. Her schoolmates. The Cullens. None of them have any life of their own except to comment on the two lovebirds. Alice comes closest to having a personality so she automatically became my favorite.
Plus it sends out two messages that young women don't need to embrace: 1. That if the boy is pretty enough and mysterious and dangerous, everything else like college and friends and family, shouldn't matter. 2. It's okay for a boy to follow you around and pry into your affairs and show up uninvited and unannounced because that's romance. Gross.
I was spoiled by a friend on the sequels and they sound even worse than the first.
BTW, allow me to quote two passages that had me laughing for minutes because they were so awful. I'm paraphrasing.
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Twilight was horribly written because it's mispaced with long stretches of nothing but Bella whining and yearning. During most of it it kept getting stated and restated either that Edward was the most beautiful thing ever or that he was so incredibly dangerous to be around. Other characters exist solely to fawn over Bella and Edward. Jacob. Her schoolmates. The Cullens. None of them have any life of their own except to comment on the two lovebirds. Alice comes closest to having a personality so she automatically became my favorite.
Plus it sends out two messages that young women don't need to embrace: 1. That if the boy is pretty enough and mysterious and dangerous, everything else like college and friends and family, shouldn't matter. 2. It's okay for a boy to follow you around and pry into your affairs and show up uninvited and unannounced because that's romance. Gross.
I was spoiled by a friend on the sequels and they sound even worse than the first.
BTW, allow me to quote two passages that had me laughing for minutes because they were so awful. I'm paraphrasing.
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It's romance novel so it's not too hard to believe that the entire series revolves around the two main characters. There is very little plot or action because of that. I only read it since I wanted to know what happens after the first movie. Also the backgrounds of each of the Cullens are eventually talked about in detail but it's never a major part of the series since it's supposed to be Bella.
I really doubt many readers think of Bella as a role model. They read it for Edward. Bella is sort of written like a Disney princess in which the girl falls in love with the guy after spending time with him for like 2 minutes. Completely unrealistic in real life but girls eat this up.
Because of a line from the South Park parody, I thought the whole way through the movie that Bella was just a different sort of Vampire. A Vampire that eats other vampires which is why Edward found himself so uncontrollably attracted to her... But there wasn't a second dimension to this movie, it's even a mystery if there was a first.
Princess Jasmin from Aladdin, would gut and quarter Belle and feed her to her parrot as soon as look at her.
Princess Jasmin from Aladdin, would gut and quarter Belle and feed her to her parrot as soon as look at her.
Oh god, those lines are so much worse than I could have even imagined. You got any more?
It's not about role models, which is always a shallow argument when it comes to pop culture because your role models should be your dad or your algebra teacher. Or Will Smith. That fucker has the life.
I totally agree with you that girls read it for Edward. That's the problem. Edward is this guy who is devoid of his own identity, his own being. For 100 years...an entire century!...he never hooked up with anyone until he meets Bella. And the result is she's entangled in a relationship with a guy who's both obsessive and powerful. Then she stops caring about anything else once he arrives. She likes him for very shallow reasons because he's weirdly uninteresting for a vampire. He just pops up and says things like "get in, I'm driving you to school today." Which is supposed to be "exciting confidence" but ends up intruding in the same territory as "the lady will be having..." behavior.
What happens with phenomena is that people subconsciously emulate the patterns. Hip hop started to glorify pimping and normalizing being a ho and the result are vapid girls who are okay with internet sex pics and a lack of class. Who's to say Twilight will have a positive or negative effect on now tween girls' future dating habits. I'm just saying as a book, it delivers a backwards, anti-girl power message.
Sure it's pulpy teen romance, but even the most trivial works of art deserve critical analysis.
Oh god, those lines are so much worse than I could have even imagined. You got any more?
Those are the only two that are stuck in my head, but the novel is full of quattro-queso goodness.
There is a particularly cheesy part where Bella and her friend goes to Port Angeles to shop and Edward ends up there because he read her friend's mind to find out where she, Bella, was going! And Bella thinks it's sweet, and not at all mind rape.
If you've read the first book or seen the movie, you might have noticed the tension between Bella and Jacob as well as the creepy love between Bella and Edward. A lot of fans hoped for Bella to end up with Jacob rather than Edward.
What actually happens?
Twilight means never having to say you're kidding.
What actually happens?
Bella and Edward marry. Bella gets pregnant. Bella's mutant half-vampire baby is too strong for a human womb and breaks Bella's ribs, and also her spine. To save her life, Jacob (who is a werewolf FYI) and Edward must work together to deliver the baby by Caesarian. With their teeth.
Once baby 'Renesmee' is born, Jacob realises he wasn't in love with Bella at all. He was attracted to her because she would be the mother of his destined one true love, her newborn baby girl to whom he now gives his eternal obsessive devotion.
Once baby 'Renesmee' is born, Jacob realises he wasn't in love with Bella at all. He was attracted to her because she would be the mother of his destined one true love, her newborn baby girl to whom he now gives his eternal obsessive devotion.
Twilight means never having to say you're kidding.
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