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Fox to make action movie about Stan Lee's life

I think that Stan takes a lot of heat because he was a shameless self-promotor. He didn't put as much effort into promoting his collaborators, but he wasn't obliged to. I'm not aware that he ever actively denied them credit.

Also, while Kirby, Ditko, and the other artists certainly deserve their share of credit for the creative process, there was one common element to the creation of the classic Marvel characters: Stan Lee. Likewise, his writing and his talent for promotion set the entire style of the Marvel line as it was growing to overshadow the competition. Kirby and Ditko weren't writing Bullpen Bulletins or the letters pages.
 
Plus,show me one field of human endeavour where somebody isn't bitchin' about being screwed over either for recognition or royalties.
 
As far as royalties go, that was the work-for-hire business model of what was considered throwaway entertainment since the beginning. In fact, it was Marvel, through the strength of Stan Lee's personality, that led comics to become a legitimate art form, which resulted in that model ultimately changing-- even if it wasn't Marvel that pioneered those changes.

The Old Mixer said:
I think that Stan takes a lot of heat because he was a shameless self-promotor. He didn't put as much effort into promoting his collaborators, but he wasn't obliged to. I'm not aware that he ever actively denied them credit.

Also, while Kirby, Ditko, and the other artists certainly deserve their share of credit for the creative process, there was one common element to the creation of the classic Marvel characters: Stan Lee. Likewise, his writing and his talent for promotion set the entire style of the Marvel line as it was growing to overshadow the competition. Kirby and Ditko weren't writing Bullpen Bulletins or the letters pages.
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This pretty much sums it up in a nutshell. Stan didn't do it alone, but he was the mastermind. And he certainly did give credit to his collaborators-- he made them famous. And if he didn't give them enough credit or accurate credit, it's probably just because he didn't remember who did what. :rommie:
 
flandry84 said:
My opinion of Stan is just that...my opinion.Still entitled to that methinks.I do not know,or realistically,care much about creative or business disputes that happened a very long time ago.
Back when I was a kid there wasn't much "geek culture".American comics were a colourful and exciting rarity,a pleasure of which I have very fond memories of to this day.
And in the middle of it all was Stan Lee with his outrageous,effusive eloquence(which I wish I could match).An inspiration to me and I suspect many others,I will always be grateful to Stan.
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Ethical bankruptcy does not impress me. Stories about his corrupt behavior were circulating beyond whispers as early as the 1970s, at the same time he was packaging himself as the "mastermind" of Marvel who had to guide everyone else as if they were little more than hired hands who "earned" one of his not-so-clever nicknames in interviews, conventions and TV appearances...just like Roddenberry with Star Trek.
 
RJDiogenes said:
even if it wasn't Marvel that pioneered those changes.
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Actually it was Jim Shooter at Marvel during his time as editor-in-chief that can be credited for much of this. Royalties, creators keeping control of their creations, and other advances can be credited to Shooter.
 
And as much credit as Jack Kirby deserves, I think he tended to overstate things quite a bit. He was known to have memory problems as far back as the forties. He continued to draw Cap with a triangular shield, which he later had to correct, long after they were forced to change it to a round shield.
 
Turtletrekker said:
Actually it was Jim Shooter at Marvel during his time as editor-in-chief that can be credited for much of this. Royalties, creators keeping control of their creations, and other advances can be credited to Shooter.
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He was part of it, because he saw the writing on the wall. I'd give more credit to Steve Gerber than Shooter, though (and I have nothing against Shooter-- he was a nutjob in his own right, but he was a major force in the evolution of the industry).
 
flandry84 said:
My opinion of Stan is just that...my opinion.Still entitled to that methinks.
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You're entitled to think that the Moon is made of green cheese and that the world is flat. Absolutely true. Opinions do not have to even glancingly acknowledge the truth. :cool:

Theft remains theft.
 
When it comes to taking credit for success...

They say success has a thousand fathers but failure is an orphan. It's the norm.
 
Theft remains theft.[/QUOTE]
I dunno what your problem is...but y'know what?Include me out of it.
You are on my ignore list pal so spare yourself a reply.
 
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An action movie about Stan Lee? Not who I would normally consider starring in an action movie.
 
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