In Star Trek V (5) - The Final Frontier, there were several scenes inside the forward observation lounge where there is a 6' ships helm and a ships compass ( binnacle). I have noticed the windows and the forward slant on them so the room is obviously in the saucer...possibly in the centre front as you can see the stars and planets etc., coming towards the ship. I have searched for this room on all plans and blueprints and on the front of the ship itself in the movie but I can't find it. I believe it is on deck F but where is it? I am currently building the world's largest scale Enterprise model and I'm building it to the specs of the 5th movie. The saucer is 141.7m in dia, and my model is 1:100 scale so the saucer will be 1417mm in dia. I want to include all the interior details where windows will be present and given this room has large windows and plenty of detail, I want to include it too. Can anyone help me?
Forward Observation Lounge ( VIP Observation Lounge)
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Sadly, none of the interior windows correctly match any of the exterior windows in any scene in any of the TOS movies, TFF included. One exception is the interior miniature for the officer's lounge we see when Spock's shuttle docks in TMP and then another almost exception where a valiant effort was made for the windows of the Rec Deck (also TMP) to match the aft/starboard rim of the saucer, though it doesn't actually fit there.
So, I'm afraid the Star Trek V set doesn't correspond to any feature on the ship's exterior. Feel free to set it behind any window you wish. Or to assume that those weren't actually windows, but rather, high def viewscreens showing a forward view.
--Alex
So, I'm afraid the Star Trek V set doesn't correspond to any feature on the ship's exterior. Feel free to set it behind any window you wish. Or to assume that those weren't actually windows, but rather, high def viewscreens showing a forward view.
--Alex
Thanks for the info Albertese. I was planning on just doing this however, I was afraid it might look silly or indeed someone might comment saying it was incorrect. I do know where the room is so I will make the windows match. They are larger than the normal "porthole or elongated porthole" style but that shouldn't matter as the rear 8 windows on the starboard side (4 top and 4 bottom) are squarish and larger than the surrounding windows. Thanks for the comments.
The one remaining alternative is to assume that 23rd century technology allows for true, transparent portholes to be opened into a hull that otherwise looks seamless from the outside.
The inside might always have the distinct look of a heavily framed porthole, either necessitated by the technology or then found aesthetically or psychologically pleasing. The outside might be kept smooth and opaque for practical reasons such as deflection of laser attacks. Although for some reason not all of the windows are shuttered, and some are even kept permanently open.
It's a weird sort of weird, no matter how we rationalize it. But by the late 23rd century, portholes on the wall might be considered a "nostalgic" feature, a reference to the glorious past of starflight, and high-tech devices resembling those features would be a luxury item readily installed aboard, even if only at various communal spaces.
Really, it's disappointing that the ship of the TOS movies was never given big windows at the bow. There were such things in the old TOS vessel - why omit them from ST:TMP?
Timo Saloniemi
Thank you for the link. I can see the room is in the exact place as on the Enterprise-A according to the top elevation, however, from the front elevation the windows are not visible. This can be very confusing for anyone researching plans to build a scale and accurate model.
The thing is, though, we don't know what the shuttering is supposed to look like from the outside. Does it mean that this (as such plausibly and recognizably Enterprise-porthole-shaped-and-sized) hole in the hull ceases to exist altogether, or that it goes from glowing yellow to black (the two states in which holes of this sort are shown existing on the outside)?
Shutters over the tall bow lounge windows of ST5 would have to do more than just seamlessly "patch up" the hull - they'd have to reproduce at least one of the art deco lines on the saucer rim. That's so much aesthetic attention paid that it really amounts to an attempt at camouflage!
Timo Saloniemi
Shutters over the tall bow lounge windows of ST5 would have to do more than just seamlessly "patch up" the hull - they'd have to reproduce at least one of the art deco lines on the saucer rim. That's so much aesthetic attention paid that it really amounts to an attempt at camouflage!
Timo Saloniemi
Do you mean those three large circles at the front of the saucer? I though those were some sort of sensor/navigation things. IIRC they have been called out in some blueprint sets as that and being totally atypical of all other windows on the hull in size I thought that this made sense...
In DS9's "Trials and Tribulations" there's a animated schematic shown of the TOS E depicting that location as sensors. It's when O'Brien is explaining how to transport over to the Enterprise undetected during a gap in the scanning sweeps.
There's that schematic at the transporter console that shows "sensor waves" as emanating symmetrically from the saucer, thus supposedly from the lower and perhaps upper domes. There are no markings there corresponding to the bow circles...
TOS featured a bit of early footage, seen in a couple of episodes, where the middle circle is seen blinking while the two smaller ones are dark. It's a "departing orbit" scene - a wild farewell party at the Six-Forward? Apart from that, the round things have always looked like any other porthole on that ship. Or any other sensor dome, for that matter. Until we got a glimpse of little people in there (in "IaMD" perhaps the most prominently - was the Defiant different?).
Timo Saloniemi
TOS featured a bit of early footage, seen in a couple of episodes, where the middle circle is seen blinking while the two smaller ones are dark. It's a "departing orbit" scene - a wild farewell party at the Six-Forward? Apart from that, the round things have always looked like any other porthole on that ship. Or any other sensor dome, for that matter. Until we got a glimpse of little people in there (in "IaMD" perhaps the most prominently - was the Defiant different?).
Timo Saloniemi
In what sense is it bigger? If the height of that yellow turboshaft is one deck, then the cutaway corresponds to the (lamentably inconveniently small) traditional size of the Constitution class. And the zoom-in to the stems of the warp engine pylons reveals what looks like doorways, exactly the size we'd expect.
Which shouldn't be surprising, as it's just Doug Drexler's Captain's Chair cutaway redecorated,'
Timo Saloniemnui
Which shouldn't be surprising, as it's just Doug Drexler's Captain's Chair cutaway redecorated,'
Timo Saloniemnui
Untrue. There are two alternating pulses.
Though whether the narrow forward arc is from the bow sensors or the main dish on the engineering hull is ambiguous.
A careful study of the image comparing the human figures and doorways and deck heights reveals that the ship has been scaled up to about 150%.
--Alex
Back in 2005 when I was working with Shane Johnson on a new Scott's Guide. The discussion at the time was that that lounge was going indeed be at the very front of the saucer section, behind panels that slide back and sideways to reveal the windows. In my opinion, it was too much of an excuse, like the reuse of the TNG engineering for 1701-A. I always thought that room should be where the forward port or starboard windows are on the ship, but then the window shape doesn't match...
Part of the book was going to be some 3d renders of some rooms like that one. You can see it here, if you scroll to the bottom of the page: http://cydonia6.com/about.html
(If posting the link is too spammy, forum monitors, feel free to remove this post).
Part of the book was going to be some 3d renders of some rooms like that one. You can see it here, if you scroll to the bottom of the page: http://cydonia6.com/about.html
(If posting the link is too spammy, forum monitors, feel free to remove this post).
