Former President George Bush Wants Son "JEB" Bush To Run For President

[sidious618]

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So...in this "time-line" you speak of...things change as well? Just because someone is liked by 90% of the population (for about a week, 87 months ago) that doesn't mean someone is like by 90% of the population now?

How can this be?

It's a difficult concept, I know. Sometimes people seem like they're okay but then they turn out to be idiots. It's a very out there theory of mine and I'm still trying to perfect it but it appears to me that some people are able to trick other people into thinking that they are good when they are in fact villainous souls. I think someday, someone, may make an episode of Star Trek about this theory with something called, I dunno, changelings, perhaps.

 

[Marc]

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But the Bush family are natural leaders.

Uh-huh. HW Bush was such a "natural leader" that he only got one term and his Presidency is mostly looked at with a shrug and a "meh."

W Bush is such a "natural leader" that thousands of civilans lives and military lives have been lost under his command -most of those in a pointless war having nothing to do with anything- the economy collapsed and when it did he went on national TV and said, in essence, "Congress is having a hard time coming up with a fix. It's hard to do. And I undestand that," rather than something more "leadery" like "They're horse-fucking around and costing the American people millions in wait, Congress needs to get off its ass and DO SOMETING."

"Natural leader" my ass.

No Bush will ever serve as President ever again. Just as it should be.

LEts not forget that Bush was such an inspired leader that he got the job because the U.S.S.C appointed him.

And lets not forget that his win in 2004 owed more to a bad choice of candidate by the Dems combined with the fundies getting out to vote on anti-gay marriage initiatives than any inspired leadership.

And if Bush was such a great leader he'd be at the forefront of action about the economic problems faced by the U.S but instead he's sitting on his arse and letting Obama do work.

But I guess the sheep will continue to support him. Orwell was spot on with his portrayal of sheep in Animal farm.

 

[Dayton3]

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^ Once again it is proven true.

For whatever else they believe, to a Bush hater it is always Florida/2000.

 

[Trekker4747]

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^ Once again it is proven true.

For whatever else they believe, to a Bush hater it is always Florida/2000.

2000 I shrug and say oh well. Should it have been Gore instead of Bush? I dunno. Personally, I'm not sure how much better Gore would've done -though in my biased opinion I don't see how he would've done worse given where we are now.

The 2000 election and Florida was just a messed up mess of failure and headache. Extreme Bush haters, sure, like to call on it as something against Bush because, well, it's the only real "out" we have when it comes to making him not president over the last 8 years.

I shrug because what was done was done and, again, it was a mess and not an easy one to get out of.

That all said, Bush hasn't been the best the last 8 years. I wouldn't necessairly say -in a non facetious/pedantic way- he's the worst as history will ultimately judge that but I will say that I feel things were much better for me emotionally, my view of the nation and world and on an international scale BEFORE he was in office. So that doesn't give him very much praise of "doing a good job."

 

[trekkerguy]

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He wasn't re-elected because he showed some great leadership qualities in his first term.

He was simply the guy who was already there and we didn't have anyone much more inspiring.

That and the fuckin religious freaks too.

 

[Marc]

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^ Once again it is proven true.

For whatever else they believe, to a Bush hater it is always Florida/2000.

Way to miss the point and that point being - If Bush had been such a brilliant candidate and inspiring leader he would of romped home.

Instead it was by the skin of his teeth and a court decision.

Do you get the point now?

 

[Captain Ice]

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But the Bush family are natural leaders.

Riiiiiiiiight. And Elvis isn't dead.

But the Bush family are natural leaders.

Uh-huh. HW Bush was such a "natural leader" that he only got one term and his Presidency is mostly looked at with a shrug and a "meh."

W Bush is such a "natural leader" that thousands of civilans lives and military lives have been lost under his command -most of those in a pointless war having nothing to do with anything- the economy collapsed and when it did he went on national TV and said, in essence, "Congress is having a hard time coming up with a fix. It's hard to do. And I undestand that," rather than something more "leadery" like "They're horse-fucking around and costing the American people millions in wait, Congress needs to get off its ass and DO SOMETING."

"Natural leader" my ass.

No Bush will ever serve as President ever again. Just as it should be.

Precisely how I feel about the man.

If he was a "natural leader" he would be out trying to inspire confidence in the nation's economy, pushing congress for a jobs bill, etc. What's he actually doing? Passing the buck.

Harry Truman, in referring to the Office of the President, once said, "The buck stops here." Maybe George skipped school that day. In any case, if he was a natural leader, he'd be actually doing his job up until the last day of his presidency instead of forcing Obama to do the work even before he has the office.

 

[MANT!]

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Frankly, if it wasn't for 9/11/2001, GWD would have been a 1 termer...his performance on the domestic front had been rather like he'd been asleep at the switch during his first term..

 

[Marc]

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Frankly, if it wasn't for 9/11/2001, GWD would have been a 1 termer...his performance on the domestic front had been rather like he'd been asleep at the switch during his first term..

Pity the U.S has the 25th(?) amendment - would of been fun watching Bush try and struggle for a 3rd term. The sight of all the congresscritters in all but the safest of Republican held seats running from him would be something to behold.

But I'm sure Bush would of come up with some excuse not to seek a 3rd term.

Then again if Clinton had the option for the 3rd term Bush would of been wiped out in 2000.

 

[MIB]

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Pity the U.S has the 25th(?) amendment - would of been fun watching Bush try and struggle for a 3rd term.

Oh, that would have been a sweet sight indeed.. Also, that would be the 22nd amendment. Amendment #25 details presidential succession, the appointment of a new VP should the office become vacant, and the process of declaring a president unfit if the VP and the majority of the cabinet come to the realization that the president is either ill or batshit.

 

[Marc]

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Pity the U.S has the 25th(?) amendment - would of been fun watching Bush try and struggle for a 3rd term.

Oh, that would have been a sweet sight indeed.. Also, that would be the 22nd amendment. Amendment #25 details presidential succession, the appointment of a new VP should the office become vacant, and the process of declaring a president unfit if the VP and the majority of the cabinet come to the realization that the president is either ill or batshit.

I plead the "I'm not an American defence" though I did know the Amendment was in the 20s and should of remembered it couldn't of been the 25th from watching The West Wing.

 

[MIB]

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I plead the "I'm not an American defence" though I did know the Amendment was in the 20s and should of remembered it couldn't of been the 25th from watching The West Wing.

Oh, no worries. I wasn't judging you or anything. I was just trying to be informative.

 

[Roger Wilco]

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I knew this would quickly become yet another one of dayton3's numerous "Bush is the best prez ever -

W"-threads...

 

[wamdue]

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I thought Jeb was his nephew, or is his family tree just that fucked up?

 

[TheMasterOfOrion]

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The Bush name is destroyed, Jeb if running would only blow the family fortune and piss off contributors who were silly enough to fund a lame duck

 

[Roger Wilco]

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I thought Jeb was his nephew, or is his family tree just that fucked up?

Jeb is George W Bush's younger brother

 

[Locutus of Bored]

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Despite what some think now, no one who wants to be taken seriously can claim that President Bush has been one of most "disastrous presidents in American history".

2008: In an informal survey of 109 professional historians conducted over a three-week period through the History News Network, 98.2 percent assessed the presidency of Mr. Bush to be a failure while 1.8 percent classified it as a success.

Asked to rank the presidency of George W. Bush in comparison to those of the other 41 American presidents, more than 61 percent of the historians concluded that the current presidency is the worst in the nation’s history. Another 35 percent of the historians surveyed rated the Bush presidency in the 31st to 41st category, while only four of the 109 respondents ranked the current presidency as even among the top two-thirds of American administrations.

At least two of those who ranked the current president in the 31-41 ranking made it clear that they placed him next-to-last, with only James Buchanan, in their view, being worse. “He is easily one of the 10-worst of all time and—if the magnitude of the challenges and opportunities matter—then probably in the bottom five, alongside Buchanan, Johnson, Fillmore, and Pierce,” wrote another historian.

http://hnn.us/articles/48916.html

In a similar survey of historians I conducted for HNN four years ago, Mr. Bush had fared somewhat better, with 19 percent rating his presidency a success and 81 percent classifying it as a failure. More striking is the dramatic increase in the percentage of historians who rate the Bush presidency the worst ever. In 2004, only 11.6 percent of the respondents rated Bush’s presidency last. That conclusion is now reached by nearly six times as large a fraction of historians.
http://hnn.us/articles/5019.html


Rasmussen Reports poll
A Rasmussen Reports poll taken June 13–24 of 2007 asked 1,000 randomly selected adults to rate America's presidents. Six presidents were rated favorably by at least 80% of respondents. They were George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt, Franklin D. Roosevelt, and John F. Kennedy. Twenty presidents were viewed favorably by at least 50% of respondents.

Only two presidents were viewed unfavorably by at least 50% of respondents. They were Richard Nixon and George W. Bush. Richard Nixon usually ranks low in opinion polls.

Unfavorably-viewed Presidents

1. George W. Bush (66% unfavorable)
2. Richard Nixon (60% unfavorable)

Quinnipiac University poll
A Quinnipiac University poll, taken May 23–30, 2006, asked 1,534 registered American voters to pick the worst U.S. President of the last 61 years.[14]

"Which of these eleven presidents we have had since World War II would you consider the worst president – Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower, John Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George Bush Senior, Bill Clinton, and George W. Bush?"

1. George W. Bush (34%)
2. Richard Nixon (17%)
3. Bill Clinton (16%)
4. Jimmy Carter (13%)
5. Don't Know/No Answer (5%)
6. Lyndon Johnson (4%)
7. George H. W. Bush (3%)
8. Ronald Reagan (3%)
9. Gerald Ford (2%)
10. Harry Truman (1%)
11. John Kennedy (1%)
12. Dwight Eisenhower (<1%)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_United_States_Presidents


Now, though, George W. Bush is in serious contention for the title of worst ever. In early 2004, an informal survey of 415 historians conducted by the nonpartisan History News Network found that eighty-one percent considered the Bush administration a "failure." Among those who called Bush a success, many gave the president high marks only for his ability to mobilize public support and get Congress to go along with what one historian called the administration's "pursuit of disastrous policies." In fact, roughly one in ten of those who called Bush a success was being facetious, rating him only as the best president since Bill Clinton - a category in which Bush is the only contestant.

The presidents most commonly linked with Bush included Hoover, Andrew Johnson and Buchanan. Twelve percent of the historians polled - nearly as many as those who rated Bush a success - flatly called Bush the worst president in American history. And these figures were gathered before the debacles over Hurricane Katrina, Bush's role in the Valerie Plame leak affair and the deterioration of the situation in Iraq. Were the historians polled today, that figure would certainly be higher.

Even worse for the president, the general public, having once given Bush the highest approval ratings ever recorded, now appears to be coming around to the dismal view held by most historians.

A majority of voters in forty-three states now disapprove of Bush's handling of his job. Since the commencement of reliable polling in the 1940s, only one twice-elected president has seen his ratings fall as low as Bush's in his second term: Richard Nixon, during the months preceding his resignation in 1974. No two-term president since polling began has fallen from such a height of popularity as Bush's (in the neighborhood of ninety percent, during the patriotic upswell following the 2001 attacks) to such a low (now in the midthirties). No president, including Harry Truman (whose ratings sometimes dipped below Nixonian levels), has experienced such a virtually unrelieved decline as Bush has since his high point.
http://www.truthout.org/article/sean-wilentz-the-worst-president-history

Natural leaders as much as Hitler was.

If the Nazis hadn't been white, would people today use Nazis and Hitler as the end-all punctuation?

Wow, that's genius. It wasn't the tens of millions of deaths that Hitler and the Nazis were responsible for that made them so notorious, it was the fact that they were white. I never knew that I didn't like the Nazis because I was a self-hating white man until now. I bet that's why I don't care for that evil white man, Pol Pot, too. Thanks for that fascinating bit of insight!

It takes real talent to post something more stupid than what Dayton has said in this and other threads, but I think you've just done it. Congratulations.

 

[Squiggy]

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^ Once again it is proven true.

For whatever else they believe, to a Bush hater it is always Florida/2000.

Yes. Someone brings Florida up in the 82nd post of the thread that's been unanimously anti-Bush (besides you) and that somehow proves your theory.

Bravo. You're a scientist and a historian.

 

[Dayton3]

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Historians have biases just like everyone else. Heck, one historian a year or two back ranked John Tyler as Americas best president.

And being narrowly elected doesn't mean a president isn't a great leader. Abraham Lincoln was barely elected and then given the situation, narrowly reelected.

And Bush received more popular votes both in absolute numbers and percentage terms than Bill Clinton did in either of his elections.

 

[Squiggy]

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Having just 2% going for your guy is waaaaaaaaaay outside the margin of error.

And Lincoln raped McCellan in 1864 212 to 21. But I guess you knew that.