Forget in was V'ger's Mission
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Can you help me out with the meaning of the thread title?
To answer your question. I know Voyager was somewhat newer than the Defiant and was sent specifically for their ability to handle the Badlands right? I don't think the Defiant would have made any difference. I mean most Starfleet ships would have outgunned the Maquis ship. Maybe the Defiant was more maneuverable but I don't see how the mission would have ended much differently.
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To answer your question. I know Voyager was somewhat newer than the Defiant and was sent specifically for their ability to handle the Badlands right? I don't think the Defiant would have made any difference. I mean most Starfleet ships would have outgunned the Maquis ship. Maybe the Defiant was more maneuverable but I don't see how the mission would have ended much differently.
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I'm kind of perplexed by the topic title, too.
I think the OP is talking about the first mission of Janeway's U.S.S. Voyager, but is causing some confusion by referring to that ship by the name that the "upgraded" Voyager 6 space probe called itself in TMP.
Well if the Defiant had been on the mission to track down the raider then they wouldn't have disappeared, and the raider would have just been logged as lost--seeing as how they would never learn of its fate.
Both the Defiant- and Intrepid-Class are around the same age I would say (the Defiant was built after Wolf 359, seeing as how Sisko was involved in its development and construction, the Voyager was launched in 2371 and it would take several years to design and build a ship), so its not really a question of Voyager being newer.
Perhaps the Defiant was tied up on another assignment, so Starfleet had to assign another ship. Besides with her long-time friend missing, I think Janeway would have pushed for the job.
Both the Defiant- and Intrepid-Class are around the same age I would say (the Defiant was built after Wolf 359, seeing as how Sisko was involved in its development and construction, the Voyager was launched in 2371 and it would take several years to design and build a ship), so its not really a question of Voyager being newer.
Perhaps the Defiant was tied up on another assignment, so Starfleet had to assign another ship. Besides with her long-time friend missing, I think Janeway would have pushed for the job.
I would have assumed if the Defiant went after it, they'd have gotten dragged into the Delta Quadrant too.
I doubt it. No one onboard had a similar genetic structure to the Caretaker (they never encountered a coherent tetrion beam or displacement wave). The raider and Voyager were abducted because of Torres and Kim respectively.
Wouldnt that depend on who was crewing her, just because none of the senior Station characters were abducted when they visited in a Runabout previously it doesnt mean that Crewman Nobody working in Engineering that day wouldnt have been a possible match.
The Defiant in the DQ, would have done better against the Kazon but with the lack of resources they would be in worse shape than the Equinox in no time. I would bet that the Defiant followed up to see what happened to Voyager though.
The Defiant in the DQ, would have done better against the Kazon but with the lack of resources they would be in worse shape than the Equinox in no time. I would bet that the Defiant followed up to see what happened to Voyager though.
Kim was human. There were humans on Defiant. How can we know for sure that none of them were compatible with the Caretaker?
That could simply be a coincidence or a matter of timing. (Actually, the real reason they never encountered either of those things is because they were Voyager plot devices and had nothing to do with DS9.) The fact that the Defiant was never scanned or taken by the Caretaker cannot be taken as evidence that none of her crew were "compatible." There's just not enough information to make that connection.
One could make it part of their head-canon that Defiant's crew was scanned and rejected by the Caretaker, but there is no actual canon evidence to support the idea. I guess the idea is allowed by canon, but it's not suggested.
Or Starfleet didn't trust Sisko and his crew with the handling of Maquis issues, not after he let Cal Hudson go.
Indeed, there's no sign that the Caretaker had any idea who was aboard the vessels he was capturing. He needed to kidnap a great number of people from each of the captured vessels (as far as we can tell, their entire crews!) and then sort out if there were promising candidates there. Most of the captured ships probably had no candidates at all, as the Caretaker was doing a lot of capturing (Neelix counted some fifty ships while waiting) but the Ocampa were only receiving the Caretaker's victims "from time to time".
...Unless we interpret that as being once every ten hours, which for the short-lived elves might count as occasional?
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Both the raider and Voyager were scanned prior to being pulled into the DQ. That scan must've showed a similar genetic pattern that the Caretaker could use, so he sent out the displacement wave to abduct the ship and probe the crew to identify who it was.
According to Banjo Man, "sending you back is terribly complicated", we could extrapolate from that that bringing ships to the Array could equally be complicated as well, not the kind of thing that would be worth doing if there weren't actual benefits to be had.
That's how I've always taken his plan to find an heir worked.
Other ships may have encountered the tetrion beam, but with no one compatible onboard they were left alone and logged the incident as an oddity that couldn't be explained.
Neelix said only around 50 ships were brought to the DQ in the months prior to Voyager's arrival, seeing how many ship there are out there, not to mention how many people are on those ships, being similar to a sporocystian-based lifeform must be pretty rare.
But again, thats always been my thoughts on "Caretaker" and the events there in.
According to Banjo Man, "sending you back is terribly complicated", we could extrapolate from that that bringing ships to the Array could equally be complicated as well, not the kind of thing that would be worth doing if there weren't actual benefits to be had.
That's how I've always taken his plan to find an heir worked.
Other ships may have encountered the tetrion beam, but with no one compatible onboard they were left alone and logged the incident as an oddity that couldn't be explained.
Neelix said only around 50 ships were brought to the DQ in the months prior to Voyager's arrival, seeing how many ship there are out there, not to mention how many people are on those ships, being similar to a sporocystian-based lifeform must be pretty rare.
But again, thats always been my thoughts on "Caretaker" and the events there in.
Voyager hardly started its search immediately. You have the uncertain amount of time between the Val Jean's loss and Voyager's launch plus its travel time to DS9 and you could be looking at a week or more. Given the dangers of the Badlands you would think time matters for a search mission. Unless you don't think there is anything to find. Starfleet might have never planned to send a search and considered Tuvok lost and Janeway (with help from her admiral friends) pushed the issue and convinced Command to allow her to have a look.
Why "must"? Probably the beam just established that there was a ship there, and then it was grabbed in the slim hopes that somebody interesting would be aboard. Nothing in the dialogue or the plotline indicates that the Caretaker knew whom he was grabbing.
If the beam could identify candidates, then there would be absolutely no need to further abduct the crew off their ship and hook them up to those fancy biobeds - the Caretaker would already know who was a candidate and who was not, and only those would undergo the treatment. (If the beam didn't tell that the first time around, he could use a second beam on individual victims and reject most of the crew that way, in a matter of seconds rather than hours or days.)
This would require us to believe that Starfleet would be ignorant of these logs. Assuming that every ship scanned was also abducted requires no such thing.
Possibly so. But Starfleet already had evidence that the Maquis were comfortable with operating out of the Badlands, from the DS9 episodes. Assuming Tuvok lost to "natural causes" would be a bit rash; it would be far more probable that the silence resulted from him having been exposed and dealt with, or having gone native.
Tuvok did not indicate that his mission would have been in jeopardy at any point; it was emphasized that Chakotay had been played for suckers and apparently rendered harmless to either the UFP or the Cardassian cause, by the multiple double agents aboard. Somehow I have a hard time believing Starfleet would have given up hope, even if - and especially if - Tuvok's success was a rare breakthrough in anti-Maquis operations.
Timo Saloniemi
