I find Forbidden Planet more imaginative than most of Star Trek - why dilute the former with the latter?
"Forbidden Planet" as TOS prequel?
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Now I'm torn whether to put in the DVD of TMP or Forbidden Planet...
Ok, since any attempted merger between Star Trek and Forbidden Planet seems rejected by most... my next question is: would any members support the creation of a Forbidden Planet sub-forum in the Science Fiction & Fantasy forum - to discuss Forbidden Planet universe topics?
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I wouldn't see the point, myself. You're able right now to discuss any aspect of Forbidden Planet or its universe in the Science Fiction & Fantasy forum. Go start a thread right now on whatever you please. The subforums, though, are there for sci-fi shows/franchises that are currently running and therefore generate a lot more dicussion.
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Ok, thanks. I'll try it that way then.
^If what you mean by "a Forbidden Planet universe" is to propose ideas for stories and events that could theoretically happen in such a universe, then you'd probably better post such a thread in Fan Fiction rather than Science Fiction & Fantasy. There are professional writers, including myself, Greg Cox, and others, who frequent SF&F, and as stated, we have to avoid story-idea threads.
There's a lot of speculative stuff going on at any given time in SF&F, so no reason to segregate this single topic in Fan Fiction.
Hell, given what's said on any day about ongoing television shows and movies in the SF&F forum, any professional writer who ever hoped to pitch to any of them but believes that they can't see other people's ideas would have to avoid the forum anyway.
Unless you're jms, you're not going to be invited to take a run at Forbidden Planet any time soon.
Hell, given what's said on any day about ongoing television shows and movies in the SF&F forum, any professional writer who ever hoped to pitch to any of them but believes that they can't see other people's ideas would have to avoid the forum anyway.
Unless you're jms, you're not going to be invited to take a run at Forbidden Planet any time soon.
Indeed. larryman has put up a dozen topics already, but they're all speculative stuff that's de rigeur for the forum. Unless Joker casting fantasies are to be consigned to Fan Fiction too, I see no reason for his posts not to go there.
There's a big difference between an actor suggestion and a story idea. Story means events. I got the impression from his earlier posts that he was interested in building this up as a fanfiction-type world, which is something other than normal speculation. If his goal is actual storytelling, then Fan Fiction is the right forum for that. If not, then I guess SF&F is okay. I wasn't planning on following those threads anyway.
Christopher, the correct answer to your proposal is no. If you're determined that you must avoid exposure to other people's ideas, you'd best get off the Internet.
His posts so far:
A Metaluna Bellerophon,
Would the United Planets have 100 Saucers?,
Should the C-57-D have a BSG Landram?.
None of which are story ideas. But even entertaining that for a bit, there's an important line between story ideas and an actual story. There was a thread in that forum a while back about how the readers would do a Superman; and such speculation (I'd do this) or hope (It'd be cool to see this); is still a long way from actually sitting down and writing a narrative.
Which he showed no interest in doing. The only fan fiction in this thread is my obliging (and highly tongue-in-cheek) response to his story outline, which I spoiler-tagged anyway.
Any sequel to Forbidden Planet ought to explore the implications of the discovery of an alien civilization, and the impact on J.J. Adams career of commanding the ship that encountered it and his making the decision to destroy it.
With scary monsters.
With scary monsters.
In the Forbidden Planet novelization, the C-57-D is called the Timewinds.
Canon rules may be different in the Forbidden Planet universe, so perhaps we could consider that a canonical name -- one that never came up in the film.
I think of Robby the Robot as an actor who played various roles, including himself, in various works of fiction. Like Kermit the Frog or Bugs Bunny. The character may be fictional, but has an existence independent of a specific fictional universe, and functions more as a real-world celebrity. (After all, many "real" celebrity personas are essentially fictional. There was never any such person as Marilyn Monroe; that was a manufactured media image portrayed by a woman named Norma Jeane Baker.)
Ah, but Marliyn portrays Kane Kowalczyk or Lorelei Lee or Nell Forbes; etc.; Robby plays 'Robby' in both of these films. The Kermit and Bugs analogies fit a little better.
As I said, Robby played multiple roles over the course of his career, including himself. And come on, most of Monroe's roles were built around her celebrity persona, rather than her adapting herself to the role. She was basically being cast to play Marilyn Monroe, regardless of what character name she used. Just as the Marx Brothers were playing Groucho, Harpo, Chico, etc. in every movie no matter what character names they used. And Robby went by various character names over the course of his career, though the majority of them were "Robot." (He actually has his own IMDb page. For most of his career, Hollywood treated Robby essentially as an actor, the go-to guy if you needed someone to play a robot, rather than a character specific to any fictional reality.)
By the same token, Daffy Duck has "played" Duck Dodgers, Robin Hood, the Scarlet Pumpernickel, Stupor Duck, and others as well as himself, and Kermit the Frog has "played" Bob Cratchit, Captain Abraham Smollett, and the Scarecrow of Oz as well as himself.
No argument there, but it's a continuity thing.
Left field comparison: Toshiro Mifune, sort of notable for doing samurai roles. Nobody would say that Seven Samurai and Hidden Fortress are in the same continuity as he plays different characters, but in Yojimbo and Sanjuro he plays a character with the same name and personality (even though the actor who played a main villain in the previous film returns as a completely different character, again a main villain.) Those films are quite arguably in the same continuity and the second is sort of a sequel to the first.
So Marliyn Monroe is playing a type, just as many stars did, but she's not literally playing the same character. Robby the Robot, Bugs Bunny etc. work in reverse: It need not be the same voice actor playing Bugs or Robby. Now, Robby doesn't always play 'Robby' in a film (a la Daffy Duck, naturally), but he did in the two films we're talking about.
It's a somewhat different kind of construct, simply put.
^Yes, he played characters named Robby in those two films, and they were very similar characters, but that doesn't automatically put them in continuity, any more than The Simpsons is in continuity with The X-Files because Mulder and Scully appeared in it. Two works of fiction can have certain elements in common without being in continuity with one another.
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