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Forbes feels it's a terrible move to make people pay to watch ST

It's fine. It's 6 bucks. That's not so bad. You can watch other shows on there, and they might be adding more steaming only content in future, including other shows. I don't know what their plans are for this service. Obviously it would be more appetizing to have it be like Netflix of Hulu and have more than just the shows from the CBS archive. But still, it's not too bad.

$1.25 per episode per month if they release one episode per week, and less than that if it's a season long dump. Then, you'd get 10-13 episodes for $6, then cancel your subscription once you binge watch the season.

Cancel only after you record the stream to your hard drive.

Case in point to my last post.
 
I hope they have trouble pirating it. Piracy is becoming a major problem.
Becoming? It's actually on a relative decline, in large part thanks to the competitiveness of netflix.

Given the number of torrent, file sharing sites, and the like, I would be curious to see how it is declining :confused:

i never said I could make it go away. I find it frustrating and irritating at the process, and am aware of the reasons. I don't have to like, and I don't.
Compared to ten years ago?

Seriously in the early 2000s, everyone and there dog that had a computer, had some sort of pirating software on their desktop.

More importantly it's been proven you don't really need to get caught up into any of it.

As people still spend money on content.

Even the most ardent of piraters I know still spend upwards of a grand a year on video games, movie passes, books etc.

Atleast now there are more legal alternatives.

EDIT: I fear this explosion in fee for service content providers is gonna cause a huge push back.

People are passive about pirating to a point.

When your talking about spending a 1000 a year in expenses for various online subscriptions, people tend to loose empathy for corporations.
 
Becoming? It's actually on a relative decline, in large part thanks to the competitiveness of netflix.

Given the number of torrent, file sharing sites, and the like, I would be curious to see how it is declining :confused:

i never said I could make it go away. I find it frustrating and irritating at the process, and am aware of the reasons. I don't have to like, and I don't.
Compared to ten years ago?

Seriously in the early 2000s, everyone and there dog that had a computer, had some sort of pirating software on their desktop.

More importantly it's been proven you don't really need to get caught up into any of it.

As people still spend money on content.

Even the most ardent of piraters I know still spend upwards of a grand a year on video games, movie passes, books etc.

Atleast now there are more legal alternatives.

Um, yes, I would argue more so than ten years ago. I would argue that people have many different avenues, not just torrents, to pirate materials.

I'm not saying that people won't spend money on content, because they obviously will. The larger point being that there are different ways of going about it, faster download times and the like, that are not discouraging it.

More legal alternatives does not automatically mean that the behavior will stop. It just means that piracy is not the first option.

Also, the attitude still remains of "Why buy it when I can just download it?" and that has not changed in the last 20 years that I have been aware of the Internet.
 
All this is, is a bunch of corporate suits trying to brainwash the public into paying for something they used to get for free and at the same time make them feel like they are getting some type of tremendous value…Smarten up people.

P.S. Who really wants to watch the crappy sitcoms that CBS streams?
 
All this is, is a bunch of corporate suits trying to brainwash the public into paying for something they used to get for free and at the same time make them feel like they are getting some type of tremendous value…Smarten up people.

By the time the show premieres, it will have been twelve years since the cancellation of Enterprise. Which was the last time I got Star Trek "for free".

Business models change.
 
Finally more press releases:

CBS CEO Leslie Moonves discusses why the new series will air on the company’s streaming service before heading to Television:
We’re looking to do original content on All Access and build up that platform. Netflix is our friend [and] a competitor. They compete with [CBS Corp.’s] Showtime. All Access will put out original content and knowing the loyalty of Star Trek fans, this will boost it… There’s about a billion channels out there and because of Star Trek, people will know what All Access is about.
All the series have done well in terms of streaming. Added in to that, Star Trek is a huge international franchise. Our international distribution guy is going crazy; he can’t wait to get out to the marketplace and sell that. Right away, we’re more than halfway home on the cost of the show from international alone. The risk is small in seeing the track record.
So... is "before heading to television" a typo?

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/why-star-trek-went-cbs-836710
 



That's nothing but corporate speak from Moonves. The bottom line is he is trying to get people like you to pay for something that you used to get for free and tell you what a tremendous value it is.

Nobody watched the last couple of Star Trek series for free (remember Enterprise got cancelled because it couldn't draw a measly million viewers a week for free?) the last time they were on tv. What makes you think people are going to pay to watch it now?

This has disaster written all over it.
http://nypost.com/2015/11/02/cbs-is-already-ruining-the-star-trek-tv-reboot/
 
P.S. Who really wants to watch the crappy sitcoms that CBS streams?

Millions of people watch those crappy sitcoms.

No accounting for taste.

CBS is not the Musee D'Orsay.

Nobody watched the last couple of Star Trek series for free (remember Enterprise got cancelled because it couldn't draw a measly million viewers a week for free?) the last time they were on tv. What makes you think people are going to pay to watch it now?
This won't suck?

This has disaster written all over it.
And how many #1 networks have you run?
 
All this is, is a bunch of corporate suits trying to brainwash the public into paying for something they used to get for free and at the same time make them feel like they are getting some type of tremendous value…Smarten up people.

P.S. Who really wants to watch the crappy sitcoms that CBS streams?
*raises hand*

I do. Also, I will be able to stream it through my Apple TV as well. I don't currently have an antennae and pay for Netflix.

Personally, I see no issue with it. And I can only speak for myself.

I'll decide on the value after I see the new Trek.
 
Wasn't "free" television always paid for by commercials?

So were all those episodes of TOS just a way for Corporate America to brainwash people into thinking they were getting great entertainment when in fact they were just being sold Campbell's Soup and Club Aluminum cookware?
 
That's nothing but corporate speak from Moonves. The bottom line is he is trying to get people like you to pay for something that you used to get for free and tell you what a tremendous value it is.

Not really free. Because you were expected to use your time to watch their commercials.

Nobody watched the last couple of Star Trek series for free (remember Enterprise got cancelled because it couldn't draw a measly million viewers a week for free?) the last time they were on tv. What makes you think people are going to pay to watch it now?

Because those shows weren't very good for the most part. People don't usually waste their time with things they don't like. But, apparently, there was still a market for Trek as Enterprise had 13 million viewers for "Broken Bow".

This has disaster written all over it.

It really doesn't. Business models are changing for traditional content providers. Either go with the flow or get off the bus.
 
Wasn't "free" television always paid for by commercials?

So were all those episodes of TOS just a way for Corporate America to brainwash people into thinking they were getting great entertainment when in fact they were just being sold Campbell's Soup and Club Aluminum cookware?

But the problem is not only do you have to pay 6 buck a month for CBS All Acess, but with that service you have twice as many ads as with Hulu, so it seems like CBS is doubling dipping with this service.

All the other networks just put their stuff on Hulu, why wouldn't CBS do that? I think a streaming services strength is in the variety its library provides and CBS seems to have a very shallow library compared to say Netflix. Netflix makes shows that range from House of Cards to Daredevil to the Care bears. Really they have a wide variety of bases covered, network TV, edgy cable shows, kids programming and movies. CBS All Access just has network tv from one network, they don't seem to have any movies or anything from say Showtime, just CBS' shows. There doesn't seem to anything for people who like edgier cable shows or want something to entertain their kids or anything for people who want to watch movies. Netflix has all those things and no ads.

CBS will really have to improve its service to make it viable, not just rely Star Trek to save it.
 
All this is, is a bunch of corporate suits trying to brainwash the public into paying for something they used to get for free and at the same time make them feel like they are getting some type of tremendous value…Smarten up people.

On the other hand, how long do you really think a new STAR TREK series would last on CBS or any other "free" TV network?

And the 90's era syndication market that nurtured TNG and DS9 doesn't really exist anymore.

This is an experiment, to be sure, but so was debuting TNG in syndication back in the day. (And it's not like TOS did all that well on NBC back in the sixties.)

Times change, and so is the way people watch TV.
 
An interesting point that the Forbes article brings up: streaming typically allows for more adult content than cable broadcast. Does the All Access option mean that CBS is planning to go significantly darker and more adult with the new Trek series than has been the norm for the previous shows? That would be an interesting proposition.
 
An interesting point that the Forbes article brings up: streaming typically allows for more adult content than cable broadcast. Does the All Access option mean that CBS is planning to go significantly darker and more adult with the new Trek series than has been the norm for the previous shows? That would be an interesting proposition.

Who knows but considering the pilot will air on CBS and this is specifically a CBS show and not Showtime for example I doubt it. CBS will probably want it to fit in with their other dramas like NCIS and stick to TV-14 at most.
 
Does the All Access option mean that CBS is planning to go significantly darker and more adult with the new Trek series than has been the norm for the previous shows?
I hope not. They should go lighter if anything. Sick of sci-fi shows being all doom and gloom.
 
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