For the World is Hollow and I will touch the sky

[kirkfan]

For the episode is shallow and I have touched its bottom.

And it has sued for sexual harrassment.

Episodes have sex now? I guess that would explain why some of them are f.king stupid...

 

[FormerLurker]

There's nothing wrong with finding out what color stupid's bedsheets are. Just don't admit you know.

 

[kirkfan]

There's nothing wrong with finding out what color stupid's bedsheets are. Just don't admit you know.

Something like that...

 

[LMFAOschwarz]

...I felt the female actor did an excellent job and it was a shame not to see her in another episode whatever her name was. Thoughts?

I haven't watched this one for ages, but it used to be one of my favorites for all the reasons you cite. Woodville was incredibly gorgeous, as well!

And she does something interesting that a lot of other female guest stars did on Star Trek, in her pronunciation of the word 'world'. I'm too tired to think of the actresses' names right now, but Edith Keeler did it. Nona did it. I think Vanna did it. Elaan did it. I'm sure there's a bunch of others.

It's just interesting to me because I've not noticed it much on other shows...but that may be simply that the word 'world' doesn't tend to pop up much in non sci-fi shows.

 

[Doug Otte]

Oh what a masterpiece! This is one of my favorite episodes of the series. The music score is awesome and only Season 1 can best it. Its got a wonderful romance story, and McCoy is diagnosed with a terminal disease yet is cured from it either in this episode or was it in a later episode? I felt the female actor did an excellent job and it was a shame not to see her in another episode whatever her name was. Thoughts?

I haven't watched this one for ages, but it used to be one of my favorites for all the reasons you cite. Woodville was incredibly gorgeous, as well!

I'll have to watch it again soon. I've been somewhat loathe to do so, because as I get older I find I have less tolerance for overtly sentimental entertainment that I used to love. I guess I'm just getting more curmudgeonly.

I was wrong. I watched it again tonight, and I still love it. It's sentimental, but it's so well done that I'm always bowled over when I watch it.

I tried to see Nimoy's sting, but on my 32" set, I couldn't see it.

I did see something odd that I didn't notice when I first got the BD set.

At around 3:53 watching w/ the original effects, there's a shot of Chekov's back watching the approaching Yonada. There's a ghost of his arm reaching down to the control panel, while the main part of the shot shows him sitting still.

Watching w/ the new effects, we only see the still shot - no reaching.

They must have goofed and superimposed two shots, but where did the other one come from? I don't have the DVDs any longer, so can't check the original footage. There was one other similar shot a minute later, but I didn't see him moving his arm there either.

 

[Marsden]

I did see something odd that I didn't notice when I first got the BD set.

At around 3:53 watching w/ the original effects, there's a shot of Chekov's back watching the approaching Yonada. There's a ghost of his arm reaching down to the control panel, while the main part of the shot shows him sitting still.

Watching w/ the new effects, we only see the still shot - no reaching.

They must have goofed and superimposed two shots, but where did the other one come from? I don't have the DVDs any longer, so can't check the original footage. There was one other similar shot a minute later, but I didn't see him moving his arm there either.

Maybe it was Lt. Arex. Wearing Chekov's Monkee wig, of course.

 

[kirkfan]

...I felt the female actor did an excellent job and it was a shame not to see her in another episode whatever her name was. Thoughts?

I haven't watched this one for ages, but it used to be one of my favorites for all the reasons you cite. Woodville was incredibly gorgeous, as well!

And she does something interesting that a lot of other female guest stars did on Star Trek, in her pronunciation of the word 'world'. I'm too tired to think of the actresses' names right now, but Edith Keeler did it. Nona did it. I think Vanna did it. Elaan did it. I'm sure there's a bunch of others.

It's just interesting to me because I've not noticed it much on other shows...but that may be simply that the word 'world' doesn't tend to pop up much in non sci-fi shows.

I don't remember her doing anything special with that word. What is it?

 

[LMFAOschwarz]

I haven't watched this one for ages, but it used to be one of my favorites for all the reasons you cite. Woodville was incredibly gorgeous, as well!

And she does something interesting that a lot of other female guest stars did on Star Trek, in her pronunciation of the word 'world'. I'm too tired to think of the actresses' names right now, but Edith Keeler did it. Nona did it. I think Vanna did it. Elaan did it. I'm sure there's a bunch of others.

It's just interesting to me because I've not noticed it much on other shows...but that may be simply that the word 'world' doesn't tend to pop up much in non sci-fi shows.

I don't remember her doing anything special with that word. What is it?

Sort of flattens out the 'r' sound...sort of "europeanizing" it...linguistics isn't my area of knowledge, so I don't know how else to put it...

 

[LMFAOschwarz]

A nice thing about this episode is that Yonada and the Oracle weren't too fantastically powerful. Advanced by our standards, yes, But it was basically 'just' a nuclear-powered spaceship, and the Oracle ruled merely by being (somehow) appointed as ruler. No telepathic-type control as in Return of the Archons, just some type of implanted device. The Oracle didn't do anything like drain power from the Ennterprise or project force fields or anything like that. Natira keep referring to the Oracle as "all-powerful" and "all-knowing", but by Star Trek standards, it really wasn't at all. The Oracle's 'defeat' was basically a simple matter of going inside, once they found out how to open the door. All of this helps turn the focus to the characters.

If I remember right, didn't the James Blish adaptation have McCoy punch Kirk when he tried to convince McCoy not to stay behind?

 

[scotpens]

And she does something interesting that a lot of other female guest stars did on Star Trek, in her pronunciation of the word 'world'. I'm too tired to think of the actresses' names right now, but Edith Keeler did it. Nona did it. I think Vanna did it. Elaan did it. I'm sure there's a bunch of others.

I don't remember her doing anything special with that word. What is it?

Sort of flattens out the 'r' sound...sort of "europeanizing" it...linguistics isn't my area of knowledge, so I don't know how else to put it...

Do you mean her accent is non-rhotic? Kate Woodville (who was British) spoke with a sort of generic "European" inflection when she played Natira (like Marina Sirtis' "Betazoid" accent for Deanna Troi).

Natira keep referring to the Oracle as "all-powerful" and "all-knowing", but by Star Trek standards, it really wasn't at all. The Oracle's 'defeat' was basically a simple matter of going inside, once they found out how to open the door.

Which must have been a disappointment for Capt. Kirk -- he was probably all prepared to talk another computer into destroying itself!

 

[kirkfan]

I don't remember her doing anything special with that word. What is it?

Sort of flattens out the 'r' sound...sort of "europeanizing" it...linguistics isn't my area of knowledge, so I don't know how else to put it...

Do you mean her accent is non-rhotic? Kate Woodville (who was British) spoke with a sort of generic "European" inflection when she played Natira (like Marina Sirtis' "Betazoid" accent for Deanna Troi).

Natira keep referring to the Oracle as "all-powerful" and "all-knowing", but by Star Trek standards, it really wasn't at all. The Oracle's 'defeat' was basically a simple matter of going inside, once they found out how to open the door.

Which must have been a disappointment for Capt. Kirk -- he was probably all prepared to talk another computer into destroying itself!

Usually, it takes only one lousy question like: "What if the unstoppable force met the unmovable object?"

 

[Metryq]

Usually, it takes only one lousy question like: "What if the unstoppable force met the unmovable object?"

I think they tried something like that in COLOSSUS (been a while since I read the book), and were executed for their trouble. If you merely want to keep a ghost-possessed computer occupied for a while, order it to calculate to the last digit the value of Pi. (If you're Ellie Arroway, you'll find God's signature.)

But don't let Kirk get all the credit for that ploy. Spock added his efforts in "I, Mudd." It works almost as well on gangsters, if you happen to have a deck of cards on Tuesday.

 

[kirkfan]

Usually, it takes only one lousy question like: "What if the unstoppable force met the unmovable object?"

I think they tried something like that in COLOSSUS (been a while since I read the book), and were executed for their trouble. If you merely want to keep a ghost-possessed computer occupied for a while, order it to calculate to the last digit the value of Pi. (If you're Ellie Arroway, you'll find God's signature.)

But don't let Kirk get all the credit for that ploy. Spock added his efforts in "I, Mudd." It works almost as well on gangsters, if you happen to have a deck of cards on Tuesday.

Did you know that fizzbin is mentioned a couple times later in the Franchise?

 

[Metryq]

Did you know that fizzbin is mentioned a couple times later in the Franchise?

Interesting. But if the allusion was not made by Kirk, Spock or McCoy, it's name-dropping. No one else was there to know about it. (Unless Kalo or the other goons sent kids to the academy.)

 

[kirkfan]

Did you know that fizzbin is mentioned a couple times later in the Franchise?

Interesting. But if the allusion was not made by Kirk, Spock or McCoy, it's name-dropping. No one else was there to know about it. (Unless Kalo or the other goons sent kids to the academy.)

Quark proposes to teach it to Odo in "The Ascent", probably to make him crazy with the tons of made up rules.

 

[Sybok Was Wrong]

Oh what a masterpiece! This is one of my favorite episodes of the series. The music score is awesome and only Season 1 can best it. Its got a wonderful romance story, and McCoy is diagnosed with a terminal disease yet is cured from it either in this episode or was it in a later episode? I felt the female actor did an excellent job and it was a shame not to see her in another episode whatever her name was. Thoughts?

One of my favorites too! It is a rare moment of making McCoy more dimensional- with being terminal and a beautiful woman interested in him. It made him more human, especially when he tells Natira his life has been "very lonely ".

-I like the oracle & its voice

- I find the 3rd season sets and costumes appealing; they are both good here- Natira's dress is cool

-Spock steadying McCoy in concern, and Kirk telling McCoy, " He Knows ", is a nice moment. Nimoy's face is perfect here

In terms of plain entertainment, the 3rd season of TOS is packed with good episodes- its the "popular" thing to say it sucked- but "For The World Is Hollow And I Have Touched The Sky" is just one example that it certainly did NOT!

 

[CrazyMatt]

In terms of plain entertainment, the 3rd season of TOS is packed with good episodes..

I would respectfully revise your statement to say, "In terms of plain episodes, the 3rd season of TOS has a good number of them."

..its the "popular" thing to say it sucked- but "For The World Is Hollow And I Have Touched The Sky" is just one example that it certainly did NOT!

I never said it sucked, I said it's.... well, plain!

There! You have helped me describe it perfectly. Thank you!

 

[kirkfan]

Personally I believe it sucks, not as badly as it could though, but it does. It's filled with annoying little bits that outweigh whatever redeeming qualities it may have had otherwise.