Flint.. what did he do with his remaining life?

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  1. MAGolding

    MAGolding Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I don' know if that was implied by the episode.

    So Flint claimed to have been alive for about 3,870 years by the time of the Crucifixion, which implies that his survival was not caused by Christ cursing him at the crucifixion.

    Methuselah supposed lived for over 900 years thousands of years before Christ, King Solomon of United Israel supposedly reigned from about 970 to 931 BC, and King Alexander III of Macedon lived from 356 to 323 BC. And Lazarus was supposedly a Jew and follower of Christ brought back to life by Jesus about AD 33. How could Flint have also been a Roman soldier at the same time as he was Lazarus?

    The Gospel do not say that Lazarus became immortal, and later legends claim that Laxarus died as Bishop of Kition on Cyprus, or as bishop of Marseille in France.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazarus_of_Bethany

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bones_of_Lazarus

    So far as I know The Bones of Lazarus, 2012, by John Derhak, is the first story in which it is not assumed that Lazarus died again of natural causes some time after being resurrected.

    I have heard of the legend of The Wandering Jew:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandering_Jew

    The closest such story I can find about a Roman soldier is Longinus:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longinus

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longinus#Origins_of_the_story

    Longinus is centuries old in the television program Roar 1997.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roar_(American_TV_series)

    And:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casca_(series)

    So as far as I know, the idea that Longinus was condemned by Jesus to live until the Second Coming is only found in Roar, 1997, and in the Casca novels beginning in 1979. As far as I know there was no real legend about Longinus being condemned to wander the world forever.

    So it seems to me that the statement:

    Does not have a strong basis in "Requiem for Methuselah" or in Christian legend & myth.
     
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  2. johnnybear

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    Of course it's not! Have you not noticed the differences between the technology from The Cage and DSC let alone TOS? The Klingons too are SO dissimilar from anything seen before, contradicting ENT as well. They resemble Chestnuts rather than Mongolian heathens or Wrinkled Crabheads!!! :klingon: But if you wish to be spoon fed and told what to accept then that's up to you!
    Who knows, maybe TOS is the averted reality and DSC is the real one then?
    JB
     
  3. Cutie McWhiskers

    Cutie McWhiskers Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    He became the great grandfather of Picard?

    Or another rogue Q.

    The real reason(s) were already said, so why not... :devil:
     
  4. Replica Picard

    Replica Picard Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Congratulations on your extremely well thought out and researched rebuttal to half-assed musings based on the recollections of a middle-aged man who last saw the episode about a third of a century ago. I'm certain you just won the Internet. Or something. :beer:
     
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  5. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Tomorrow Never Knows Premium Member

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    All of which is irrelevant to the question of “separate” universes/dimensions/realities
     
  6. ssosmcin

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    I had no idea that Flint survived in the novels. I don't generally read them, but - and no offense if any of our esteemed authors on the BBS wrote any of them - but I kind of hate the idea. I really loved the tragic nature of his fate: after losing one last great love of his life, the one shot at an immortal mate, he leaves his exile and spends his remaining days trying to make a legitimate contribution to the galaxy once again. I like to imagine he lived a few more years and then finally gave into death. Sometimes the fate of a character on TV is just fine as is...
     
  7. JonnyQuest037

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    This broken record is getting really old, Johnny.
     
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  8. Nyotarules

    Nyotarules Rear Admiral Moderator

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    Flint - wrote holoprogrammes about Archer's Enterprise, whoever holofans often lamented was not their Trek.
     
  9. Ronald Held

    Ronald Held Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Eventually left with Julianna Tanner and lived in isolation?
     
  10. johnnybear

    johnnybear Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Well don't buy it and get the CD, Johnny! :techman:
    JB
     
  11. FormerLurker

    FormerLurker Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Until someone writes a DSC, Pike, or Picard story (screenplay) definitively negating the idea, I contend that the DSC Klingons are actually the Hur'q, hanging around all these years pretending to be a part of the Empire so they can make trouble.
     
  12. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Maybe Flint had a hand in the creation of the "synths" we've seen in PIC. Perhaps without Soong or Maddox even knowing.
     
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  13. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Tomorrow Never Knows Premium Member

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    I still maintain that flint is Soong. All of them. ;)
     
  14. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    No, we've got it all wrong!

    Flint is James Coburn. ;)
     
  15. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Tomorrow Never Knows Premium Member

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    Actually Flint is older than we think. Just call him "Fred". ;)
     
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  16. johnnybear

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    Was there ever a description of the Hur'q in TNG or Ds9? It's a good idea and the Indian guy was a Klingon but augmented to look human or was he a human supplanted with a Klingon memory and mind? I could never fathom that bit and the changing people into other races surgery never worked for me in any of the shows! :klingon:
    JB
     
  17. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Tomorrow Never Knows Premium Member

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    Shadaz Latif is a Brit with Pakistani ancestry.
    Voq was surgically altered to look like a human and implanted with the real Ash Tyler's memories
    Not a fan of "The Trouble with Tribbles"?
     
  18. Silvercrest

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    He was on leave. :p
    That's right! He was a Roman soldier who took time off to listen to Christ. His full name was Lazarus Longinus. And THAT suggests a Robert Heinlein connection ... :beer:

    Flint probably spent a lot of time lamenting the inaccuracy of the Da Vinci program. Assuming he's not the one who wrote it. :vulcan:
     
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  19. johnnybear

    johnnybear Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Oh I am, just not DSC, sorry bout that!
    JB
     
  20. Warped9

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    I bet Rollin Hand (Martin Landau) of the Impossible Mission Force could pull it off with his makeup skills.