Flint.. what did he do with his remaining life?

[MAGolding]

Okay, so first of all, I'll add the obligatory "DSC is Prime" comment. I don't really care, but someone is going to do it, so it may as well be me.

(Edit: Crud. Ninja'd by Nerys Myk.)

Second, though, I think the implication (if not outright statement) of the TOS episode is that he was the Roman soldier that Christ cursed to walk the earth until His return. So as long as we don't have "Star Trek: Revelation" I think he'll be okay.

I don' know if that was implied by the episode.

SPOCK: You were born?
FLINT: In that region of earth later called Mesopotamia, in the year 3834 BC, as the millennia are reckoned. I was Akharin, a soldier, a bully and a fool. I fell in battle, pierced to the heart and did not die.

So Flint claimed to have been alive for about 3,870 years by the time of the Crucifixion, which implies that his survival was not caused by Christ cursing him at the crucifixion.

SPOCK: Your collection of Leonardo da Vinci masterpieces, Mister Flint, they appear to have been recently painted on contemporary canvas with contemporary materials. And on your piano, a waltz by Johannes Brahms, an unknown work in manuscript, written in modern ink. Yet absolutely authentic, as are your paintings.
FLINT: I am Brahms.
SPOCK: And da Vinci?
FLINT: Yes.
SPOCK: How many other names shall we call you?
FLINT: Solomon, Alexander, Lazarus, Methuselah, Merlin, Abramson. A hundred other names you do not know.

Methuselah supposed lived for over 900 years thousands of years before Christ, King Solomon of United Israel supposedly reigned from about 970 to 931 BC, and King Alexander III of Macedon lived from 356 to 323 BC. And Lazarus was supposedly a Jew and follower of Christ brought back to life by Jesus about AD 33. How could Flint have also been a Roman soldier at the same time as he was Lazarus?

The Gospel do not say that Lazarus became immortal, and later legends claim that Laxarus died as Bishop of Kition on Cyprus, or as bishop of Marseille in France.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazarus_of_Bethany

The Bones of Lazarus is a fast-paced, supernatural thriller and mystery that traces intersecting lives on a war-torn, resource rich, Caribbean island. The plot revolves around the premise that Lazarus of Bethany, upon his resurrection by the hand of Christ, becomes an immortal creature of Judgment, seeking the hearts and souls of the wicked throughout time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bones_of_Lazarus

So far as I know The Bones of Lazarus, 2012, by John Derhak, is the first story in which it is not assumed that Lazarus died again of natural causes some time after being resurrected.

I have heard of the legend of The Wandering Jew:

The Wandering Jew is a mythical immortal man whose legend began to spread in Europe in the 13th century.[1] The original legend concerns a Jew who taunted Jesus on the way to the Crucifixion and was then cursed to walk the earth until the Second Coming. The exact nature of the wanderer's indiscretion varies in different versions of the tale, as do aspects of his character; sometimes he is said to be a shoemaker or other tradesman, while sometimes he is the doorman at the estate of Pontius Pilate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandering_Jew

The closest such story I can find about a Roman soldier is Longinus:

Longinus /ˌlɒnˈdʒaɪnəs/ is the name given to the unnamed Roman soldier who pierced the side of Jesus with a lance and who in medieval and some modern Christian traditions is described as a convert to Christianity.[2] His name first appeared in the apocryphal Gospel of Nicodemus.[3] The lance is called in Christianity the "Holy Lance" (lancea) and the story is related in the Gospel of John during the Crucifixion.[4] This act is said to have created the last of the Five Holy Wounds of Christ.

This individual, unnamed in the Gospels, is further identified in some versions of the legend as the centurion present at the Crucifixion, who said that Jesus was the son of God.[5] Longinus' legend grew over the years to the point that he was said to have converted to Christianity after the Crucifixion, and he is traditionally venerated as a saint in the Roman Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, and several other Christian communions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longinus

An early tradition, found in the 4th-century pseudepigraphal "Letter of Herod to Pilate", claims that Longinus suffered for having pierced Jesus, and that he was condemned to a cave where every night a lion came and mauled him until dawn, after which his body healed back to normal, in a pattern that would repeat till the end of time.[6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longinus#Origins_of_the_story

Longinus is centuries old in the television program Roar 1997.

It is set in the year 400 AD, following a young Irish man, Conor (Heath Ledger), as he sets out to rid his land of the invading Romans, but in order to accomplish this, he must first unite the Celtic clans.

Their primary struggle is against Longinus (Roché), a supernatural creature whose true essence is that of a 400-year-old Roman centurion ready to do the bidding of evil Queen Diana (Zane), who is an emissary of the Romans

One of the major villains in the program was Longinus, played by Sebastian Roché, an immortal cursed by God for interfering with his plans. By Christian tradition, Longinus was the centurion who stabbed Jesus Christ with his spear during the Crucifixion. This spear, the Spear of Destiny, was supposedly the only weapon that could release Longinus from his curse. The show freely mixed Christian mythology, Celtic mythology, Druidism, and smatterings of history.[2][3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roar_(American_TV_series)

And:

Casca is a series of paperback novels, and since January 2014, ebooks as well, created and written by author Barry Sadler in 1979. The stories revolve around the life of Casca Rufio Longinus, the soldier in the Roman legions who drove the Holy Lance into the side of Jesus Christ on Golgotha, and (in the novels) who is doomed by Jesus to wander the Earth aimlessly, always as a soldier, until the Second Coming. The character is loosely based on the Longinus legend of Christianity.

At Golgotha, Casca stabbed Jesus with his spear, in an attempt to relieve Jesus of his pain and suffering. Jesus condemned Casca by saying, "Soldier, you are content with what you are. Then that you shall remain until we meet again. As I go now to My Father, you must one day come to Me." As Jesus died, blood from his wound trickled down Casca's spear and onto his hand, and Casca unknowingly tasted it after wiping sweat from his mouth, causing his body to convulse in pain

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casca_(series)

So as far as I know, the idea that Longinus was condemned by Jesus to live until the Second Coming is only found in Roar, 1997, and in the Casca novels beginning in 1979. As far as I know there was no real legend about Longinus being condemned to wander the world forever.

So it seems to me that the statement:

Second, though, I think the implication (if not outright statement) of the TOS episode is that he was the Roman soldier that Christ cursed to walk the earth until His return. So as long as we don't have "Star Trek: Revelation" I think he'll be okay.

Does not have a strong basis in "Requiem for Methuselah" or in Christian legend & myth.

 

[johnnybear]

DIsco is in the Prime reality so no dimension hopping is needed.

Of course it's not! Have you not noticed the differences between the technology from The Cage and DSC let alone TOS? The Klingons too are SO dissimilar from anything seen before, contradicting ENT as well. They resemble Chestnuts rather than Mongolian heathens or Wrinkled Crabheads!!! But if you wish to be spoon fed and told what to accept then that's up to you!
Who knows, maybe TOS is the averted reality and DSC is the real one then?
JB

 

[Qonundrum]

He became the great grandfather of Picard?

Or another rogue Q.

The real reason(s) were already said, so why not...

 

[Replica Picard]

I don' know if that was implied by the episode.

Congratulations on your extremely well thought out and researched rebuttal to half-assed musings based on the recollections of a middle-aged man who last saw the episode about a third of a century ago. I'm certain you just won the Internet. Or something.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Of course it's not! Have you not noticed the differences between the technology from The Cage and DSC let alone TOS? The Klingons too are SO dissimilar from anything seen before, contradicting ENT as well. They resemble Chestnuts rather than Mongolian heathens or Wrinkled Crabheads!!! But if you wish to be spoon fed and told what to accept then that's up to you!
Who knows, maybe TOS is the averted reality and DSC is the real one then?
JB

All of which is irrelevant to the question of “separate” universes/dimensions/realities

 

[Ssosmcin]

I had no idea that Flint survived in the novels. I don't generally read them, but - and no offense if any of our esteemed authors on the BBS wrote any of them - but I kind of hate the idea. I really loved the tragic nature of his fate: after losing one last great love of his life, the one shot at an immortal mate, he leaves his exile and spends his remaining days trying to make a legitimate contribution to the galaxy once again. I like to imagine he lived a few more years and then finally gave into death. Sometimes the fate of a character on TV is just fine as is...

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Of course it's not! Have you not noticed the differences between the technology from The Cage and DSC let alone TOS? The Klingons too are SO dissimilar from anything seen before, contradicting ENT as well. They resemble Chestnuts rather than Mongolian heathens or Wrinkled Crabheads!!! But if you wish to be spoon fed and told what to accept then that's up to you!

This broken record is getting really old, Johnny.

 

[Nyotarules]

Flint - wrote holoprogrammes about Archer's Enterprise, whoever holofans often lamented was not their Trek.

 

[Ronald Held]

Eventually left with Julianna Tanner and lived in isolation?

 

[johnnybear]

This broken record is getting really old, Johnny.

Well don't buy it and get the CD, Johnny!
JB

 

[FormerLurker]

Of course it's not! Have you not noticed the differences between the technology from The Cage and DSC let alone TOS? The Klingons too are SO dissimilar from anything seen before, contradicting ENT as well. They resemble Chestnuts rather than Mongolian heathens or Wrinkled Crabheads!!! But if you wish to be spoon fed and told what to accept then that's up to you!
Who knows, maybe TOS is the averted reality and DSC is the real one then?
JB

Until someone writes a DSC, Pike, or Picard story (screenplay) definitively negating the idea, I contend that the DSC Klingons are actually the Hur'q, hanging around all these years pretending to be a part of the Empire so they can make trouble.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Maybe Flint had a hand in the creation of the "synths" we've seen in PIC. Perhaps without Soong or Maddox even knowing.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I still maintain that flint is Soong. All of them.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

No, we've got it all wrong!

Flint is James Coburn.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Actually Flint is older than we think. Just call him "Fred".

 

[johnnybear]

Until someone writes a DSC, Pike, or Picard story (screenplay) definitively negating the idea, I contend that the DSC Klingons are actually the Hur'q, hanging around all these years pretending to be a part of the Empire so they can make trouble.

Was there ever a description of the Hur'q in TNG or Ds9? It's a good idea and the Indian guy was a Klingon but augmented to look human or was he a human supplanted with a Klingon memory and mind? I could never fathom that bit and the changing people into other races surgery never worked for me in any of the shows!
JB

 

[Nerys Myk]

Was there ever a description of the Hur'q in TNG or Ds9? It's a good idea and the Indian guy was a Klingon but augmented to look human or was he a human supplanted with a Klingon memory and mind? I could never fathom that bit and the changing people into other races surgery never worked for me in any of the shows!
JB

Shadaz Latif is a Brit with Pakistani ancestry.
Voq was surgically altered to look like a human and implanted with the real Ash Tyler's memories
Not a fan of "The Trouble with Tribbles"?

 

[Silvercrest]

IAnd Lazarus was supposedly a Jew and follower of Christ brought back to life by Jesus about AD 33. How could Flint have also been a Roman soldier at the same time as he was Lazarus?

He was on leave.
That's right! He was a Roman soldier who took time off to listen to Christ. His full name was Lazarus Longinus. And THAT suggests a Robert Heinlein connection ...

Flint - wrote holoprogrammes about Archer's Enterprise, whoever holofans often lamented was not their Trek.

Flint probably spent a lot of time lamenting the inaccuracy of the Da Vinci program. Assuming he's not the one who wrote it.

 

[johnnybear]

Shadaz Latif is a Brit with Pakistani ancestry.
Voq was surgically altered to look like a human and implanted with the real Ash Tyler's memories
Not a fan of "The Trouble with Tribbles"?

Oh I am, just not DSC, sorry bout that!
JB

 

[Warped9]

Was there ever a description of the Hur'q in TNG or Ds9? It's a good idea and the Indian guy was a Klingon but augmented to look human or was he a human supplanted with a Klingon memory and mind? I could never fathom that bit and the changing people into other races surgery never worked for me in any of the shows!
JB

I bet Rollin Hand (Martin Landau) of the Impossible Mission Force could pull it off with his makeup skills.