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I like the new former convict Aaron. He's a badass!
I like the new former convict Aaron. He's a badass!
FlashFoward: "Blowback" 3/25/10 - Grading & Discussion
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Retcon alert: "You said that Mosaic was bigger than me." "I lied."
Maybe, maybe not. Either way it doesn't really screw anything up since nothing really came of Vogel's line in the first place.
Pissed off Aaron vs James Remar. This is the stuff awesome is made of...
Hmm, the show is apparently having Aaron's own story be separate from the major plot of the show (the FBI/CIA/Simon/Simcoe stuff) but it's shaping up to be interesting in its own right.
I wonder, will the separate plots eventually dovetail as the show goes on (as several of the earlier seemingly separate plots became one) or remain separate until they conclude while the main plot continues on without those characters? Or will they find a way to re-integrate those characters into the major plot after their own stories are done?
Pissed off Aaron vs James Remar. This is the stuff awesome is made of...
Hmm, the show is apparently having Aaron's own story be separate from the major plot of the show (the FBI/CIA/Simon/Simcoe stuff) but it's shaping up to be interesting in its own right.
I wonder, will the separate plots eventually dovetail as the show goes on (as several of the earlier seemingly separate plots became one) or remain separate until they conclude while the main plot continues on without those characters? Or will they find a way to re-integrate those characters into the major plot after their own stories are done?
Above Average
Aaron's ascent into Jack Bauer levels of badassery was awesome. Mark and Lloyd's plot was interesting as well.
Aaron's ascent into Jack Bauer levels of badassery was awesome. Mark and Lloyd's plot was interesting as well.
Ever watched a TV series that had an awesome premise but didn't know what to do with it? Not only that, but they seemed to want to go in the complete opposite direction it should go? Star Trek: Voyager and Smallville immediately come to mind, but I think I have to add FlashForward (and probably the V reboot) to that list.
I killed the guy with the tattoo, so that solves everything. Yay!
I'm destroying the gun that kills me, so now I won't die. Yay!
Only one person on the entire planet killed himself over the flashforward he had in two months since everyone experienced it?
OMG! I'm pregnant in my flashforward! So I need to make sure it happens!
The unwillingness for Simcoe to reveal the identity of D. Gibbons also made no sense whatsoever.
I killed the guy with the tattoo, so that solves everything. Yay!
I'm destroying the gun that kills me, so now I won't die. Yay!
Only one person on the entire planet killed himself over the flashforward he had in two months since everyone experienced it?
OMG! I'm pregnant in my flashforward! So I need to make sure it happens!
The unwillingness for Simcoe to reveal the identity of D. Gibbons also made no sense whatsoever.
I do like that there are characters who are just actively pursuing the future on their own. There are no doormats in this universe!
Checkmate
Commodore
I've gotten the implication that the flash foward was akin to a religious experience for a lot of the people who experienced it. It was more than just a view of the future, they were actually there and experiencing it.
As for being able to change the future, that was pretty easy to assume by anyone with half a wit. If it was a genuine view of an immutable future, then they all would have known it was coming in the flash foward. And at least a few of them -- Mark being a significant example here -- should or would have found a way to leave a message to themselves via the flash. But since absolutely no one seemed to realize it in the flashes, it was pretty safe assumption that the future could be changed by actions in the past. Afterall, the flash itself was a significant change in the past of the future they all witnessed.
I do agree that doing things like destroying the gun that'll kill you is kind of goofy. Especially for someone in the FBI who should have more than a few functional brain cells.
As for being able to change the future, that was pretty easy to assume by anyone with half a wit. If it was a genuine view of an immutable future, then they all would have known it was coming in the flash foward. And at least a few of them -- Mark being a significant example here -- should or would have found a way to leave a message to themselves via the flash. But since absolutely no one seemed to realize it in the flashes, it was pretty safe assumption that the future could be changed by actions in the past. Afterall, the flash itself was a significant change in the past of the future they all witnessed.
I do agree that doing things like destroying the gun that'll kill you is kind of goofy. Especially for someone in the FBI who should have more than a few functional brain cells.
Remember, for a lot of the people they didn't just see what was happening they also felt the emotions that their future selves were feeling as well. Whatever they FELT as well as saw may have been enough for them to want that future to happen on some level. Olivia felt the feelings she felt for Lloyd at the time, Charlie apparently had feelings of protection for Dylan in that future that went backwards to her present self, and Bryce felt the joy of meeting Keiko which makes him want to feel it NOW.
James Remar found the Jericho spy/killer guy hanging upside down inside his house with "happy birthday" written on his chest (he was still alive). Then Stark called Mark again (Mark must really really suck at returning calls) and called the whole thing off without telling Mark what exactly was going on. Now Stark is going off the grid and will be going Man on Fire upon Jericho.
Nice to know the reason the crows died was as I assumed...they were intelligent enough to have flash forwards. I guess marine mammals were safe because they can't drown in under two minutes and elephants don't drive cars. As for gorillas and chimps, as long as they weren't in trees (do chimps climb trees, I don't even know) they should have done ok as long as a predator didn't find them.
But I just can't get into any of these stories, except Demitri and his wife, who have a perfectly realistic seeming conflict and are behaving according to their personalities. Demitri is the stoic type who never wants to look scared at anything and won't accept help.
Zoey is pushy and determined, but she's also correct. There's no sense in leaving any stone unturned, even if the flash forwards aren't fated to happen. Her scene with Marc was one of the best parts of the episode, a couple of abrasive characters whose interaction is impeded by their personality defects.
Oooh, that made me groan. What a cliched, typical-Hollywood line.
) so there's no way to know if "that" baby will be the one she is pregnant with. And her attitude is very bizarre, anyway. Why get obsessed with the product of one of your eggs when your ovaries contain, I dunno, hundreds. Far more than the number of babies you could ever give birth to, that's for sure.
I hope she gets pregnant and the kid is a boy. Just to show her that her attitude is kinda fucked up.
But I just can't get into any of these stories, except Demitri and his wife, who have a perfectly realistic seeming conflict and are behaving according to their personalities. Demitri is the stoic type who never wants to look scared at anything and won't accept help.
Zoey is pushy and determined, but she's also correct. There's no sense in leaving any stone unturned, even if the flash forwards aren't fated to happen. Her scene with Marc was one of the best parts of the episode, a couple of abrasive characters whose interaction is impeded by their personality defects.
I agree. He's trying his best, it just seems like a mismatched role.
"I lied. I'm CIA. I do that."
Best line of the night.
Oooh, that made me groan. What a cliched, typical-Hollywood line.
Well maybe she's not being too logical about it, but there is absolutely no way for her to know who the sperm donor was (Demitri! Demitri!
) so there's no way to know if "that" baby will be the one she is pregnant with. And her attitude is very bizarre, anyway. Why get obsessed with the product of one of your eggs when your ovaries contain, I dunno, hundreds. Far more than the number of babies you could ever give birth to, that's for sure.I hope she gets pregnant and the kid is a boy. Just to show her that her attitude is kinda fucked up.
I wonder if Campos still has the dead guy in his SUV? Or, if it belonged to somebody in his family, if he just told them to drop it off at a medical school, sort of a Good Will donation to the anatomy department?
What kind of house has breaker boxes (well, they looked like breaker boxes) at the edge of the property? And what kind of CEO of a mercenary/security company can't afford to have guards? Or is the kind of person who doesn't believe in guards?
This was mainly about Aaron, whose story, aside from being unbelievable as to the details, is completely unbelievable at the base. No mercenary outfit is going to worry about being exposed for doing dirty deeds, that's what they're hired for. They are connected to government at the highest levels precisely to do dirty deeds, especially in Iraq and Afghanistan. Aaron's problem is completely phony.
Mark biting the bullet and pushing the investigation into personal territory presumably is what's going to drive Olivia to Lloyd. It is true that Lloyd keeping everything secret is bizarre and probably a retcon.
Zoe's actions were quite in character but I couldn't buy her winning. The government would have been far more likely to charge her with a crime, rather than give in. The return of the terrorist is more Dark Knight Returns sensationalism I suspect.
Poor.
What kind of house has breaker boxes (well, they looked like breaker boxes) at the edge of the property? And what kind of CEO of a mercenary/security company can't afford to have guards? Or is the kind of person who doesn't believe in guards?
This was mainly about Aaron, whose story, aside from being unbelievable as to the details, is completely unbelievable at the base. No mercenary outfit is going to worry about being exposed for doing dirty deeds, that's what they're hired for. They are connected to government at the highest levels precisely to do dirty deeds, especially in Iraq and Afghanistan. Aaron's problem is completely phony.
Mark biting the bullet and pushing the investigation into personal territory presumably is what's going to drive Olivia to Lloyd. It is true that Lloyd keeping everything secret is bizarre and probably a retcon.
Zoe's actions were quite in character but I couldn't buy her winning. The government would have been far more likely to charge her with a crime, rather than give in. The return of the terrorist is more Dark Knight Returns sensationalism I suspect.
Poor.