First the cops...now the postal system

[cultcross]

Tell that to the people in those countries that flock here for operations instead of waiting in line.

That statistically insignificant number of people you keep bringing up? You are aware that UHC covers a significant portion of the developed world, these days? The vast majority get along just fine without 'flocking' to the US or anywhere else.

And it's not a low opinion of America. It's a low opinion of those that believe able-bodied adults are entitled to anything.

Like rights? After all, if they're able bodied, they should fight for free speech, owning a gun, etc. Why should they get it handed to them?

 

[TheLonelySquire]

Tell that to the people in those countries that flock here for operations instead of waiting in line.

That statistically insignificant number of people you keep bringing up? You are aware that UHC covers a significant portion of the developed world, these days? The vast majority get along just fine without 'flocking' to the US or anywhere else.

And it's not a low opinion of America. It's a low opinion of those that believe able-bodied adults are entitled to anything.

Like rights? After all, if they're able bodied, they should fight for free speech, owning a gun, etc. Why should they get it handed to them?

Yet when they want the best care immediately they come here. It is what it is.

Some people feel we shouldn't have to pay for other people's well being when they could do it themselves. Bit of a difference there.

 

[cultcross]

Yet when they want the best care immediately they come here. It is what it is.

Except that it isn't how it is. UHC covers far more worldwide than the entire US population, yet only a small number cross your borders for treatment. Only those people want the best care immediately?

Some people feel we shouldn't have to pay for other people's well being when they could do it themselves. Bit of a difference there.

How about paying for everyone's well being? You are aware that you, as part of everyone, are included in that? It's a nice straw man, this anti-UHC idea that you are simply paying for everybody else, but it isn't the case.

I know you're... on vacation from TNZ but we are currently discussing putting numbers to the amounts we all pay for healthcare. We've concluded that Britons on the average wage pay ~£100/month for full healthcare coverage for themselves (thinking only of ourselves, you'd be so proud); can you beat that? Especially considering if said Briton lost his or her job, their coverage would not change?

 

[Squiggy]

People people. I think the one thing that we can all agree on is that if Stephen Hawking was in the UK, he would've been dead long ago.

 

[cultcross]

People people. I think the one thing that we can all agree on is that if Stephen Hawking was in the UK, he would've been dead long ago.

But he keeps avoiding the NHS death squads. Slippery weasel.

 

[Squiggy]

For being a quadriplegic, he's awfully nimble.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

Yet when they want the best care immediately they come here. It is what it is.

Except that it isn't how it is. UHC covers far more worldwide than the entire US population, yet only a small number cross your borders for treatment. Only those people want the best care immediately?

Some people feel we shouldn't have to pay for other people's well being when they could do it themselves. Bit of a difference there.

How about paying for everyone's well being? You are aware that you, as part of everyone, are included in that? It's a nice straw man, this anti-UHC idea that you are simply paying for everybody else, but it isn't the case.

I know you're... on vacation from TNZ but we are currently discussing putting numbers to the amounts we all pay for healthcare. We've concluded that Britons on the average wage pay ~£100/month for full healthcare coverage for themselves (thinking only of ourselves, you'd be so proud); can you beat that? Especially considering if said Briton lost his or her job, their coverage would not change?

Yes, when people want the best of the best in healthcare they come here.

As far as UHC paying for me I don't want it to. Some of us have too much self-respect for that.

 

[Squiggy]

Fine. Then don't get it. No one will force you to get UHC.

Problem solved.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

Fine. Then don't get it. No one will force you to get UHC.

Problem solved.

Wanna bet?

 

[Squiggy]

Show me where you'll be forced. Show me where this is mandatory.

 

[FordSVT]

Most businesses fail in the first three years of operation. Clearly, the capitalist system is a failure.

I shall do you a favour, TLS, and recommend book to you.

 

[SeerSGB]

Yet when they want the best care immediately they come here. It is what it is.

Except that it isn't how it is. UHC covers far more worldwide than the entire US population, yet only a small number cross your borders for treatment. Only those people want the best care immediately?

Some people feel we shouldn't have to pay for other people's well being when they could do it themselves. Bit of a difference there.

How about paying for everyone's well being? You are aware that you, as part of everyone, are included in that? It's a nice straw man, this anti-UHC idea that you are simply paying for everybody else, but it isn't the case.

I know you're... on vacation from TNZ but we are currently discussing putting numbers to the amounts we all pay for healthcare. We've concluded that Britons on the average wage pay ~£100/month for full healthcare coverage for themselves (thinking only of ourselves, you'd be so proud); can you beat that? Especially considering if said Briton lost his or her job, their coverage would not change?

Yes, when people want the best of the best in healthcare they come here.

As far as UHC paying for me I don't want it to. Some of us have too much self-respect for that.

So you'll not be taking Medicare or Social Security when you retire then? Those are both socialist programs as well.

 

[Squiggy]

President Obama said...

So if you have insurance you like, you'll be able to keep that insurance. If you have a doctor you like, you can keep that doctor. You'll just pay less for the care that you receive.

Clearly, Obama doesn't know what he wants and TLS knows the truth.

 

[buzzknox]

President Obama said...

So if you have insurance you like, you'll be able to keep that insurance. If you have a doctor you like, you can keep that doctor. You'll just pay less for the care that you receive.

Clearly, Obama doesn't know what he wants and TLS knows the truth.

Obama is also on record that he wants a single payer system, but he acknowledged it would take time to get to that point. HR 3200 and similar bills are a starting point.

As for keeping your individual coverage, that will be subject to neither you nor the insurer make any changes. Should you do so, you will be required to enter into a gov't approved plan or the gov't option. See Section 102 of HR 3200. So, if this passes, make sure you have all changes in place during the grace period, and pray you don't need to make any modifications, or that the insurer doesn't make them for you.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I work for the federal gov't. You don't want the feds working in the health care field. Do some digging and see just how badly the feds are doing in the health care they provide via the VA, Medicare, and Medicaid systems.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

President Obama said...

So if you have insurance you like, you'll be able to keep that insurance. If you have a doctor you like, you can keep that doctor. You'll just pay less for the care that you receive.

Clearly, Obama doesn't know what he wants and TLS knows the truth.

Obama is also on record that he wants a single payer system, but he acknowledged it would take time to get to that point. HR 3200 and similar bills are a starting point.

As for keeping your individual coverage, that will be subject to neither you nor the insurer make any changes. Should you do so, you will be required to enter into a gov't approved plan or the gov't option. See Section 102 of HR 3200. So, if this passes, make sure you have all changes in place during the grace period, and pray you don't need to make any modifications, or that the insurer doesn't make them for you.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I work for the federal gov't. You don't want the feds working in the health care field. Do some digging and see just how badly the feds are doing in the health care they provide via the VA, Medicare, and Medicaid systems.

You mean the VA, Medicare, and Medicaid systems that typically rate about as satisfactory as private plans? Those government-run systems?

 

[Squiggy]

President Obama said...

So if you have insurance you like, you'll be able to keep that insurance. If you have a doctor you like, you can keep that doctor. You'll just pay less for the care that you receive.

Clearly, Obama doesn't know what he wants and TLS knows the truth.

Obama is also on record that he wants a single payer system, but he acknowledged it would take time to get to that point. HR 3200 and similar bills are a starting point.

As for keeping your individual coverage, that will be subject to neither you nor the insurer make any changes. Should you do so, you will be required to enter into a gov't approved plan or the gov't option. See Section 102 of HR 3200. So, if this passes, make sure you have all changes in place during the grace period, and pray you don't need to make any modifications, or that the insurer doesn't make them for you.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I work for the federal gov't. You don't want the feds working in the health care field. Do some digging and see just how badly the feds are doing in the health care they provide via the VA, Medicare, and Medicaid systems.

Funny. Everyone I know loves their government provided insurance.

 

[buzzknox]

You mean the VA, Medicare, and Medicaid systems that typically rate about as satisfactory as private plans? Those government-run systems?

I was thinking more of the VA system where an emergency MRI takes on average a few months to obtain, and patients may wait years for needed operations (a friend had to work back channels to get knee replacements after the VA made him wait years. He'd only been shot through them by enemy combatants so I guess he could wait). You also get into the situation of the gov't regulating itself, so botched operations aren't reported.

I'm also thinking of the Medicare/Medicaid systems that routinely pay doctors obscenely late, cut the amounts that they are willing to pay for services after the services are rendered, and cut the amount they will pay each year (expecting the doctors to increase their patient load in order to make up the difference). That's why docs I know are openly discussing dropping out of Medicare/Medicaid.

As I said, I'm a fed. My agency signed up with a private insurance company (using the same plan available to equivalent corporations) and then got completely out of the way.

By the way, can we get an agreement that dissenting opinions will not be reported to the White House, as it's requested? (Never thought I'd have to put that request out there.)

We can add the MA and TN public health plans to the list.

 

[Misfit Toy]

More "sky is falling" rhetoric.

 

[Squiggy]

Dissenting opinions aren't being requested. LIES are.

 

[Pingfah]

Yet when they want the best care immediately they come here. It is what it is.

Except that it isn't how it is. UHC covers far more worldwide than the entire US population, yet only a small number cross your borders for treatment. Only those people want the best care immediately?

It's nonsense anyway. Britain has a perfectly functional private healthcare system for people who just can't wait. The instance of them paying through the nose for treatment in America from Doctors who are no better trained or more capable than our own is pretty negligible.

The potential quality of the healthcare available to those who can afford to pay huge amounts for it upfront is so far from the point as to be ridiculous to even mention it in this thread.