First the cops...now the postal system

[TheLonelySquire]

This gets better by the minute. He's trying to make a point about how private companies can be efficient and profitable....and then proceeds to throw the postal system under the bus. Cops and postal workers aren't going to enjoy this guy.

Question: If the postal system is having so many problems, why should we trust the government with the healthcare system?

http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-its-the-post-office-thats-always-having-problems/

 

[Small White Car]

Question: If the postal system is having so many problems, why should we trust the government with the healthcare system?

Answer: The postal system has been grandfathered-into the rather stupid system of having to walk up to everyone's house 6 days a week. It's an outdated system that both FedEx and UPS wouldn't be able to handle either.

In other words, you've taken a simple analogy and tried to make it literal, which never works well. Analogies aren't literal, not every little detail has to fit in a 1-to-1 ratio.

Government healthcare wouldn't be walking to everyone's house 6 times a week. The analogy breaks down if you try to force it like that.

 

[tharpdevenport]

The USPS, UPS, Fed-Ex: one of these things just doesn't belong. Which one? The USPS. Why? It's failing, loosing a LOT of money this year alone (I believe the news reported a week ago something like about a billion; though it's been going under for years). The other two are not. What's the difference between the USPS and the other two? The USPS is government run. Obama might want to do fact checks next time...


Presidential FAIL.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

Question: If the postal system is having so many problems, why should we trust the government with the healthcare system?

Answer: The postal system has been grandfathered-into the rather stupid system of having to walk up to everyone's house 6 days a week. It's an outdated system that both FedEx and UPS wouldn't be able to handle either.

In other words, you've taken a simple analogy and tried to make it literal, which never works well. Analogies aren't literal, not every little detail has to fit in a 1-to-1 ratio.

Government healthcare wouldn't be walking to everyone's house 6 times a week. The analogy breaks down if you try to force it like that.

You may be right. It'll be far, far easier to run a national healthcare system than it is to deliver an issue of National Geographic.

 

[Small White Car]

You may be right. It'll be far, far easier to run a national healthcare system than it is to deliver an issue of National Geographic.

So what's your point, exactly?

Government healthcare = Post Office
so...?
Private Healthcare = Enron

Seems like a weird point to be making. I'm not sure where you're going with this.

 

[CaptainStoner]

The point is "be afraid". UHC has a decent track record, and costs less, in many other countries, which many people who live in those countries have been posting.

So all the opposition has is "be afraid", "socialism", "black guy is President", "not a citizen", "he's a Muslin".

 

[Davros]

Every other industrialized nation is capable of running a health care system. Why wouldn't ours be able to do so TLS? Are these other countries that much more capable than ours? Why do you have soch a low opinion of America?

 

[PlixTixiplik]

Seeing as how no one is proposing government-run health care, I don't see the comparison. Of course anyone with even a basic understanding of the debate would know that, unless they were deliberately misleading people because of an agenda. The public option is simply government providing insurance - all of the medical decisions, the actual running of the health care program, will be done by your doctor.

Also, the postal service is forbidden from making a profit and isn't government run either. It is a quasi-governmental corporation.

 

[Leroy]

I don't get all the hate for the USPS I've never lost a package sent to someone via the USPS ever. Plenty of privately owned businesses are having the same problems the USPS has (lack of funding, low sales etc.) just recently my local cable company filed for bankruptcy.

The point is "be afraid". UHC has a decent track record, and costs less, in many other countries, which many people who live in those countries have been posting.

Very true according to the New England Journal of Medicine the US medical system has an overhead cost three times higher than that of Canada.

Every other industrialized nation is capable of running a health care system. Why wouldn't ours be able to do so TLS? Are these other countries that much more capable than ours? Why do you have soch a low opinion of America?

It's not America that people like TLS have a problem with it's the government that he has a problem with.

Seeing as how no one is proposing government-run health care, I don't see the comparison. Of course anyone with even a basic understanding of the debate would know that, unless they were deliberately misleading people because of an agenda. The public option is simply government paying for the care - all of the medical decisions, the actual running of the health care program, will be done by your doctor.

There is a lot of misleading information about healthcare reform a lot of it is paid for by the insurance industry. The US already has government healthcare in the form of Medicare and it's single payer. I've got plenty of relatives on it and so far none have been euthanized.

 

[Squiggy]

This gets better by the minute. He's trying to make a point about how private companies can be efficient and profitable....and then proceeds to throw the postal system under the bus. Cops and postal workers aren't going to enjoy this guy.

Question: If the postal system is having so many problems, why should we trust the government with the healthcare system?

http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-its-the-post-office-thats-always-having-problems/

Stop reading Drudge.

 

[Rii]

Question: If the postal system is having so many problems, why should we trust the government with the healthcare system?

I can only imagine what would happen if the government was in charge of defence.

 

[sidious618]

I've never really had a problem with the post office. My last two jobs have all involved the post office to a large extent and we never had any problems with them. They were usually quite kind and helpful, actually.

At home my mail comes every day and rarely does anything get lost in it. Every once in a while we may get a neighbor's magazine but that's hardly a big deal. To compare what the USPS does to UPS or FedEx really shows a lack of understanding about how this all works.

 

[Cicero]

The US government is already the largest single health insurer in the US. The government-run Medicare and Medicaid programs together provide nearly half of all care - more than all other insurers put together (the balance of care is paid for out-of-pocket and via government-run hospitals, i.e. the VA and military care).

I don't see how expanding Medicare to everyone who wants to be part of it would be catastrophic for our health care system. It's the health care system most popular with patients - even more popular than the military's generally well-considered TriCare system, which provides some of the best care in the world.

(And, yes, the USPS's problem is insistence of daily door-to-door delivery, particularly in rural areas. If those routes were cut to once per week, the Postal Service would be doing quite well - well enough to pay for staff increases and capital investments where needed.)

 

[Mr. B]

I don't see how expanding Medicare to everyone who wants to be part of it would be catastrophic for our health care system. It's the health care system most popular with patients - even more popular than the military's generally well-considered TriCare system, which provides some of the best care in the world.

Medicare in it's current form is nearly bankrupt even though it's only paying about 15 cents on the dollar. Obama's idea to fix it is pay out even less than that. It certainly doesn't strike me as sound strategy. Medicare is already a pain in the ass for providers to deal with which is why more and more providers are shunning Medicare patients.

If the current administration was really interesting in helping the situation we'd have more prudent solutions put forth like interstate health insurance, more catastrophic care policies, medical savings accounts and of course tort reform.

 

[cultcross]

You may be right. It'll be far, far easier to run a national healthcare system than it is to deliver an issue of National Geographic.

It'll be far, far more cost effective than delivering small amounts of mail at a small fee to every house in the country on a daily basis. The USPS has an outdated business plan and is therefore struggling. The same is true of the Royal Mail. Yet miraculously, the NHS, being a completely different thing, is unaffected.

 

[Balrog]

Question: If the postal system is having so many problems, why should we trust the government with the healthcare system?

Answer: The postal system has been grandfathered-into the rather stupid system of having to walk up to everyone's house 6 days a week. It's an outdated system that both FedEx and UPS wouldn't be able to handle either.

And who in charge of making the changes so it can run more efficiently? Answer: The government. Have they made an attempt to overhaul that bastion of inefficiency? Nope.

Do I want Obama running my healthcare after that example? Hell no!

 

[cultcross]

Question: If the postal system is having so many problems, why should we trust the government with the healthcare system?

Answer: The postal system has been grandfathered-into the rather stupid system of having to walk up to everyone's house 6 days a week. It's an outdated system that both FedEx and UPS wouldn't be able to handle either.

And who in charge of making the changes so it can run more efficiently? Answer: The government. Have they made an attempt to overhaul that bastion of inefficiency? Nope.

Do I want Obama running my healthcare after that example? Hell no!

1. postal service is not the healthcare system, nor are they remotely related in any way.
2. 'the government' isn't in charge of making business decisions for publicly owned companies like the USPS or our NHS. The Board of the USPS is responsible for those decisions. The President appoints these people, but they serve 9-year terms - has Obama even appointed any yet?
3. 'Obama' will never run your healthcare, ever, whatever laws are passed.

 

[Scout101]

The USPS is talking about trying to make some of these changes, but the same people that will bash them are the ones that will shout down a reduction in service. Current point under discussion was eliminating a day of delivery each week (Tuesday or Saturday were being discussed, being the lightest two days, mail traffic-wise)...

 

[TheLonelySquire]

Every other industrialized nation is capable of running a health care system. Why wouldn't ours be able to do so TLS? Are these other countries that much more capable than ours? Why do you have soch a low opinion of America?

Tell that to the people in those countries that flock here for operations instead of waiting in line.

And it's not a low opinion of America. It's a low opinion of those that believe able-bodied adults are entitled to anything.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

The US government is already the largest single health insurer in the US. The government-run Medicare and Medicaid programs together provide nearly half of all care - more than all other insurers put together (the balance of care is paid for out-of-pocket and via government-run hospitals, i.e. the VA and military care).

I don't see how expanding Medicare to everyone who wants to be part of it would be catastrophic for our health care system. It's the health care system most popular with patients - even more popular than the military's generally well-considered TriCare system, which provides some of the best care in the world.

(And, yes, the USPS's problem is insistence of daily door-to-door delivery, particularly in rural areas. If those routes were cut to once per week, the Postal Service would be doing quite well - well enough to pay for staff increases and capital investments where needed.)

And both Medicare and Medicaid are bankrupt. As is Social Security. And you don't see how anoher program of this sort presents a problem?