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[DaveyNY]

It is called Fanon. Like Spock being the first Vulcan in Starfleet. Oops...

I pretty much assumed that he was the first 'Human/Vulcan Hybrid' in Star Fleet.
But technically, T'Pol (as far as we know) only ever served on board a Pre-Federation Earth spaceship and Burnham is a Human who lived with Vulcans.
So nothing so far, (that I can remember) has dissuaded me from believing that Spock wasn't the first Vulcan to serve on an actual Federation Star Fleet starship.


Addendum:
I forgot about the USS INTREPID (NCC-1631)...
Completely manned by Vulcans.
Though that set of circumstances could have evolved after Spock joined Star Fleet and went through the academy.

 

[Jinn]

Except people who actually worked on the show are a lot more reliable then fans.

I'm not sure where the "Spock's the first Vulcan" thing came from originally, but I could totally see it being background info made up for the first season that never made it on-screen. It would sure explain how McCoy reacted to "that green stuff in Spock's veins". Or it was just McCoy being douchy to Spock, but I always read it as meaning that McCoy had no idea about Vulcan physiology which would make more sense if Spock was the first to ever join Starfleet.

Anyways the whole 'on screen' is canon thing is an invention by the fans, I don't think there was ever 'official' rules by CBS/Paramount.

Well, startrek.com has a listing of the "Offical Star Trek canon" or something like that.

 

[Jinn]

I pretty much assumed that he was the first 'Human/Vulcan Hybrid' in Star Fleet.
But technically, T'Pol (as far as we know) only ever served on board a Pre-Federation Earth spaceship and Burnham is a Human who lived with Vulcans.
So nothing so far, (that I can remember) has dissuaded me from believing that Spock wasn't the first Vulcan to serve on an actual Federation Star Fleet starship.

What about the Intrepid?

 

[BillJ]

That's the nature of every franchise out there.

Then why do you act like what is said behind the scenes carries any kind of weight? If it isn't mentioned on screen, what today is thought of as a Saurian could be used as a Jarada by the next creative team.

 

[Tuskin38]

Well, startrek.com has a listing of the "Offical Star Trek canon" or something like that.

They also say Kirk was the youngest captain, and that Spock was the first Vulcan in the Federation Starfleet (yes they actually specify 'Federation', probably to get around T'Pol)

Then why do you act like what is said behind the scenes carries any kind of weight? If it isn't mentioned on screen, what today is thought of as a Saurian could be used as a Jarada by the next creative team.

I live in the present, as long as current information is relevant I use it.

I don't care what future writer/producer might do, it hasn't happened yet, no use thinking about it.

 

[Jinn]

They also say Kirk was the younger captain, and that Spock was the first Vulcan in the Federation Starfleet (yes they actually specify 'Federation', probably to get around T'Pol)

That's true and fortunately the site doesn't list itself as canon

 

[BillJ]

I live in the present, as long as current information is relevant I use it.

If there's no information given in an episode, then whatever the element is, is a clean slate for novelist or the next creative team to use. Heck, even the current creative team could repurpose something that was only seen on-screen but doesn't have any in-episode "facts" material attached to it.

 

[Tuskin38]

If there's no information given in an episode, then whatever the element is, is a clean slate for novelist or the next creative team to use.

Well so far Discovery hasn't gone against the common thought. They've been using the commonly accepted years the fans use and other small information like that.

 

[Longinus]

I pretty much assumed that he was the first 'Human/Vulcan Hybrid' in Star Fleet.
But technically, T'Pol (as far as we know) only ever served on board a Pre-Federation Earth spaceship and Burnham is a Human who lived with Vulcans.
So nothing so far, (that I can remember) has dissuaded me from believing that Spock wasn't the first Vulcan to serve on an actual Federation Star Fleet starship.

Considering that Vulcan had been a member of the Federation over a century at that point and even in TOS there was a Strafleet vessel solely crewed by Vulcans, it seems highly unlikely that Spock would have been the first Vulcan in the fleet. Nothing in TOS implies Spock was the first Vulcan to join Starfleet; it is really a strange notion with no basis.

(And there is a Vulcan admiral on Discovery.)

 

[DaveyNY]

What about the Intrepid?

Yeah, that thought occurred to me after I hit ENTER...
I did a bit of editing to my original premise.

 

[BillJ]

Well so far Discovery hasn't gone against the common thought. They've been using the commonly accepted years the fans use and other small information like that.

I imagine they are likely using the calendar from the Okuda Chronology.

 

[DaveyNY]

Considering that Vulcan had been a member of the Federation over a century at that point and even in TOS there was a Strafleet vessel solely crewed by Vulcans, it seems highly unlikely that Spock would have been the first Vulcan in the fleet. Nothing in TOS implies Spock was the first Vulcan to join Starfleet; it is really a strange notion with no basis.

(And there is a Vulcan admiral on Discovery.)

Oh chit I forgot about him also...
Bleah.

 

[rhllot]

So, M'Ress isn't canonically a caitian?

Her species was never said on screen in TAS.

caitian 100%

 

[Tuskin38]

I imagine they are likely using the calendar from the Okuda Chronology.

They've also been using Star Charts (2002 edition) for maps. Which has lead to some.. anarchistic planets/starbases appearing on them.

 

[Tuskin38]

caitian 100%

Her species is never named on screen, so she has no canon species name.

Also please do not embed images from Wikipedia sites. They get shrunk down as an anti-hotlinking measure.

 

[Kemaiku]

Except modern Caitians look like this:

Well okay, the Kelvin universe *is* worse in some cases.

 

[BillJ]

Her species is never named on screen, so she has no canon species name.

It is fine to call her that, as nothing on screen contradicts it. But, much like Spock, a creative team could change that designation at some point. I always thought it was a bit on the nose.

 

[Tuskin38]

It is fine to call her that, as nothing on screen contradicts it. But, much like Spock, a creative team could change that designation at some point. I always thought it was a bit on the nose.

According to Memory-Alpha, the name 'Caitian' first appeared in merchandising. It was in a M'Ress biography published by 'Lincoln Enterprises'

Same biography actually says the Caitians are related to the Kizinti, which is backed up by Larry Niven apparently.

 

[Kor]

Spock's quarters are in room 3F 125, just like in Amok Time!

But apparently everything gets heavily remodeled in the next decade.

Kor

 

[Tuskin38]

But apparently everything gets heavily remodeled in the next decade.

No it doesn't. Well maybe it could, but at this moment it's a visual retcon.