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First Impressions?

First impressions.
It would have been nice if the representatives of the Klingon houses had softened the blow of the Klingon redesign. One could have had the long hair we're familiar with and another one's armor could have resembled the TNG era. Maybe throw in a TOS sash or mustache.

I had a similar thought. If they want to say that the reason the Klingons on this show look so drastically changed from what we know is because there are simply different varieties within the species that we've never seen before, I can accept that, but so far we haven't seen anything that would actually indicate that that explanation is correct and that Discovery Klingons don't all just look like that. And as I said in my previous comment in this thread, I wasn't one of those fans having a conniption just because the Klingons looked different, but it would be nice to have a reason for it other than the fact that Bryan Fuller apparently just thought it would be cool to put a new spin on them.
 
It was what it was. I'd put it on about the same level as the later seasons of DS9, ie entertaining in a sort of standard sci fi TV kind of way, competently made, and chock full of conflict and personalities clashing against each other.
Would it be something I could repeatedly dig out a DVD of a few times in the years ahead and get any sort of emotional lift from? And also feel I'm witnessing a unique pop culture phenomena in action? Like I did with the best stories of a show like TNG? I don't think so.

I'll probably still watch every episode and get some enjoyment from it though, as long as it never sinks to Braga/Berman standards. So I guess to the producers I'm an irrelevant demographic.
 
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I had a similar thought. If they want to say that the reason the Klingons on this show look so drastically changed from what we know is because there are simply different varieties within the species that we've never seen before, I can accept that, but so far we haven't seen anything that would actually indicate that that explanation is correct and that Discovery Klingons don't all just look like that. And as I said in my previous comment in this thread, I wasn't one of those fans having a conniption just because the Klingons looked different, but it would be nice to have a reason for it other than the fact that Bryan Fuller apparently just thought it would be cool to put a new spin on them.

The latest explanation I've seen is that these are Klingons from a different set of planets who evolved a bit differently than the ones we're familiar with. Much like the Remans in Nemesis I guess.

I agree it's a bit puzzling though.
 
Like I told @cultcross, I'm running on the assumption that this TV movie (Because that's what it was.) was the best attempt to scrape together the remnants of the Fuller project, and Kurtzman's series starts next week.

I don't know, from interviews it sounds like it was always the intention to start the show off this way, by having some major incident that resulted in Burnham getting court martialed and sent off on some new journey.

And also of course they wanted to make a clear statement that this was going to be a bolder Trek than before.
 
I thought it was great.

Definitely some flaws, but goodness knows the other pilots (and series as a whole) had their share.
 
Okay. I'm in.

Had reservations, don't like the wonky camera angles, but mostly, I'm on board.

I liked the Klingon stuff, but where's the lush hair? Seems to be some variants of the ridges here and there, but hope we see some vaguely next genish ones here and there. I'm expecting to see Kahless somewhere, and we know what he looks like.

I liked it. The ships were properly proportioned, unlike the needlessly massive JJ stuff.

Yeah. Good stuff. Thumbs up moji.
 
Also. This is only the second series opener that didn't have some sort of super being or god powers.

The Cage - Mind Games
Where no man has gone before - mind games
Motion picture - God thing
Encounter at far point - God like powers
Emissary - God like beings
Care taker - super powerful beings
Broken Bow - Klingons!
Vulcan hello - Klingons.

Infinitely more interesting.
 
I'm often reminded of how I'm not very artistic when people talk about camera angles. I never notice.

Replace camera, with floor. Some shots looked like the tripod, if they still use such things, had been replaced with a bean bag.
 
First-first impression with the Klingons: Okay, I can live with these Klingons. Their Klingon(ese) is on-point.

Second-first impression during the desert scenes: They're breaking/not-breaking the Prime Directive right away to be helpful, fixing something that the Federation(?) screwed up for these aliens... that's wonderful; I love it.

Third-first impression during Michael's log: The visuals are absolutely beautiful. Her language describing the stars and how they were going to be home to life someday, absolutely beautiful. And the icing: TOS stardates, Earth Calendar date, and finally 'a Sunday.' Love, love, love!

By the third impression I was sold on the show. The rest was just sitting back and letting myself melt back into Star Trek and experience it for the first time all over again, but as an adult rather than a kid. From that point there was no critical eye. There was no pulling apart any and every little detail. It was just full immersion for me and I loved every minute of it.

Nitpicking will come when I rewatch it, though ;)
 
I had no problem with the camera work in this. A lot of shows and movies are shot in the same way these days, and it certainly makes for a more dynamic and visually interesting show than the Trek of the 80s and 90s.
 
Note: I went in with an open mind and no real knowledge of what the show was going to be: I had only seen the first trailer (the one where they show the ship and nothing else) and read nothing about the show except the title and release date.

My first impressions are, as before the episode, a mix of worry and hope.

To me, what matters most aren't superficial aspects like how the Klingons look, what sound effects are used, whether it matches continuity (continuity is important, but not primordial), how the uniforms look,... it's that the "heart of Trek" (to quote someone from upthread) be present.
And, to me at least, the heart of Trek lies in discussions of ethics and the human condition through a futuristic allegory.
It's Balance of Terror, The Measure of a Man, Who Watches the Watchers, The Drumhead, Duet, Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges, In the Pale Moonlight, Blink of an Eye, The Void, ...
Everything else is just window dressing. You could ditch the transporters in favour of constant shuttle usage, have no ship-to-ship energy weapons, replace phasers with conventional firearms, have the Klingons be pink-skinned small creatures obsessed with the preservation of trees and 6-armed Vulcans who constantly extoll the virtues of coffee in high-pitched voices, as long as there is an attempt to go beyond mere entertainment and present an humanistic and hopeful vision of the future, it'd be true Trek to me.

As far as that is concerned, we've seen very little of it.
What we've seen of the show seem to hint at an action-fest. And I like those, I just don't think EVERYTHING should be an action-fest.
Is it so wrong to have a single franchise that aspires to something else?
If "Space Action" and nothing else is what the series will be, I see no point in it being Trek. Might as well call it Star Wars: the Series. Or Stargate: The New WraithOris. Or newnewBSG. Or, preferably, make it a Firefly reboot.

There were glimpses, though, in the beginning of the first episode and in the concussed crewman declaring "we're explorers, not soldiers!"
Nuggets of hope to cling onto, but at this stage, I'd rather re-watch Darmok a 15th time than either of those episodes a second one.

This all being said, I'm not going to judge the series by 2 episodes. It's way too early to tell what it's going to be.


To conclude, I will give my impressions of the "fluff":

- Overall visuals: impressive, but to be expected. A bit jarring that the tech is more advanced than latter series, but to be expected as well. Going with a TOS look wouldn't have worked at all... though maybe an ENT look should've been considered.
- Theme tune: bland, sure, but I'll take bland over Faith of the Heart any day.
- Klingon redesign: first shot was weird, with the pan-out of K'vumtal's face, it looked so rubbery. Then, it grew on me a bit. Then, I noticed that none of them had any hair, which was mildly annoying. They look more like Remans than Klingons, tbh. Overall, it (and the introduction of the science officer alien) seems aimed at placating the frequent criticism of Trek's "rubber forehead aliens", but I don't think that criticism really needed to be placated.
- The Klingon behavioural redesign was a bigger offender, though: they seem to act more like brutes than honour-bound Space Vikings/Space Samurai. So, they look like Remans and act like Nausicaans.
- Making Klingons speak Klingon with subtitles: a good idea, but not very well executed at the moment. They don't sound like the Klingons used to. Not enough yelling, too much mincing about.
So, they look like Remans, act like Nausicaans and talk like Ferengi... hmmm.
- Uniforms: I might be the only one, but I actually liked them.
- Acting: Michelle Yeoh was good, I thought; as was Hellboy fishdude in the science officer role. Burnham and the Klingons? Not so much. AlbinoKlingondude was dreadful.
- The listing of Michelle Yeoh as "special guest star" was very silly. Way to clue/spoil everyone as to her early demise.
- The holographic communicators just seem so pointless. Yes, DS9 had them too... and they were just as pointless. Not bad, just pointless.
 
I will say this much...after nearly 24 hours...I'm still thinking that Captain Phillipa Georgiou (spelling?) may be my second-favorite Starfleet captain ever. I was NOT expecting that...but I was thrilled by Michelle Yeoh's performance and the character in general. Kept me absolutely captivated and bought in for the whole 2-hours.
 
Note: I went in with an open mind and no real knowledge of what the show was going to be: I had only seen the first trailer (the one where they show the ship and nothing else) and read nothing about the show except the title and release date.

My first impressions are, as before the episode, a mix of worry and hope.

To me, what matters most aren't superficial aspects like how the Klingons look, what sound effects are used, whether it matches continuity (continuity is important, but not primordial), how the uniforms look,... it's that the "heart of Trek" (to quote someone from upthread) be present.
And, to me at least, the heart of Trek lies in discussions of ethics and the human condition through a futuristic allegory.
It's Balance of Terror, The Measure of a Man, Who Watches the Watchers, The Drumhead, Duet, Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges, In the Pale Moonlight, Blink of an Eye, The Void, ...
Everything else is just window dressing. You could ditch the transporters in favour of constant shuttle usage, have no ship-to-ship energy weapons, replace phasers with conventional firearms, have the Klingons be pink-skinned small creatures obsessed with the preservation of trees and 6-armed Vulcans who constantly extoll the virtues of coffee in high-pitched voices, as long as there is an attempt to go beyond mere entertainment and present an humanistic and hopeful vision of the future, it'd be true Trek to me.

As far as that is concerned, we've seen very little of it.
What we've seen of the show seem to hint at an action-fest. And I like those, I just don't think EVERYTHING should be an action-fest.
Is it so wrong to have a single franchise that aspires to something else?
If "Space Action" and nothing else is what the series will be, I see no point in it being Trek. Might as well call it Star Wars: the Series. Or Stargate: The New WraithOris. Or newnewBSG. Or, preferably, make it a Firefly reboot.

There were glimpses, though, in the beginning of the first episode and in the concussed crewman declaring "we're explorers, not soldiers!"
Nuggets of hope to cling onto, but at this stage, I'd rather re-watch Darmok a 15th time than either of those episodes a second one.

This all being said, I'm not going to judge the series by 2 episodes. It's way too early to tell what it's going to be.


To conclude, I will give my impressions of the "fluff":

- Overall visuals: impressive, but to be expected. A bit jarring that the tech is more advanced than latter series, but to be expected as well. Going with a TOS look wouldn't have worked at all... though maybe an ENT look should've been considered.
- Theme tune: bland, sure, but I'll take bland over Faith of the Heart any day.
- Klingon redesign: first shot was weird, with the pan-out of K'vumtal's face, it looked so rubbery. Then, it grew on me a bit. Then, I noticed that none of them had any hair, which was mildly annoying. They look more like Remans than Klingons, tbh. Overall, it (and the introduction of the science officer alien) seems aimed at placating the frequent criticism of Trek's "rubber forehead aliens", but I don't think that criticism really needed to be placated.
- The Klingon behavioural redesign was a bigger offender, though: they seem to act more like brutes than honour-bound Space Vikings/Space Samurai. So, they look like Remans and act like Nausicaans.
- Making Klingons speak Klingon with subtitles: a good idea, but not very well executed at the moment. They don't sound like the Klingons used to. Not enough yelling, too much mincing about.
So, they look like Remans, act like Nausicaans and talk like Ferengi... hmmm.
- Uniforms: I might be the only one, but I actually liked them.
- Acting: Michelle Yeoh was good, I thought; as was Hellboy fishdude in the science officer role. Burnham and the Klingons? Not so much. AlbinoKlingondude was dreadful.
- The listing of Michelle Yeoh as "special guest star" was very silly. Way to clue/spoil everyone as to her early demise.
- The holographic communicators just seem so pointless. Yes, DS9 had them too... and they were just as pointless. Not bad, just pointless.

I actually believe the action-y / battle stuff was there to kick the premier off with a bang. I doubt VERY much that the rest of the series will be like that.

Also- I think the holographic stuff gives the show the ability to show the actors/characters who are remote (Sarek, the Admiral in this case) a chance to "perform" rather than just read lines to a screen as a headshot. Probably a dramatic choice...and likely a fairly wise one.
 
Also- I think the holographic stuff gives the show the ability to show the actors/characters who are remote (Sarek, the Admiral in this case) a chance to "perform" rather than just read lines to a screen as a headshot. Probably a dramatic choice...and likely a fairly wise one.

Yes, I know. I was going to say that, but removed it for brevity: it's an "actor" technology more than a realistic one. Realistically, being able to see a full 360 view of the person you're talking to brings very little to the table over video communication(*); but 'Hollywoodally', it allows actors to perform more, as you said.

(*) if it wasn't laggy and unnaturally pale, it could have deceptive uses, but not as is.
 
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