I'm glad someone pointed that out.
I'm surprised how many fans of Doctor Who don't even know who Sydney Newman was!
Yeah, they used the same names for John Smith's parents in Human Nature. It's a nice nod, if something of a retread...
First Guest Star for Tennant's Finale revealed. (BIG SPOILERS!)
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Yeah, they used the same names for John Smith's parents in Human Nature. It's a nice nod, if something of a retread...
Considering the The Doctor has travelled millions and billions of years into our future, and we have seen very little of the 'journal', im guessing it contains things that were, that will be and what is and what could be. Not just past events from our perspective.
John's parents were only named as Verity and Sydney though. no mention was made of Newman.
Aw crap. I smell an RTD retread. I'm praying for something original to come out of this, and not a "Human Nature II: It's About Time!"...
I'll go with THE here - I'm bit less interested now, and a bit afraid of a 'fanwank' finale that undermines past greats (I'm 40. Back in 1983, I spent nine months waiting in eager expectation for Warriors of the Deep, so events taught me to expect disappointment as a teenager).
I'll hope my cynicism will be contradicted by events (ah, fiction. Ah, you know...) though.
Oh, d'oh.. I just worked it out.
RTD said in his Writer's Tale book that he had an idea for a special with JK Rowling as guest star, where the Doctor turns up at a signing, and they both get caught up in a fantasy world.
This is the same idea; Verity Newman will be a fantasy author who's based her book on a notebook she got from her grandmother (/great aunt/etc), who then finds that the original of her hero turns up, and (etc)... Just possibly, that conceit might even allow the Doctor to meet lots of old friends and foes.
RTD said in his Writer's Tale book that he had an idea for a special with JK Rowling as guest star, where the Doctor turns up at a signing, and they both get caught up in a fantasy world.
This is the same idea; Verity Newman will be a fantasy author who's based her book on a notebook she got from her grandmother (/great aunt/etc), who then finds that the original of her hero turns up, and (etc)... Just possibly, that conceit might even allow the Doctor to meet lots of old friends and foes.
Aw crap. I smell an RTD retread. I'm praying for something original to come out of this, and not a "Human Nature II: It's About Time!"...
I'll go with THE here - I'm bit less interested now, and a bit afraid of a 'fanwank' finale that undermines past greats (I'm 40. Back in 1983, I spent nine months waiting in eager expectation for Warriors of the Deep, so events taught me to expect disappointment as a teenager).
I'll hope my cynicism will be contradicted by events (ah, fiction. Ah, you know...) though.
Count me in on the cynical side of the street. Obviously I'll reserve final judgement until I've seen the episode...but I have to say I have a bad feeling about this
Remember also that this is from the filming of the Christmas special only. While this and the subsequent two-part finale are supposed to be related, they are not necessarily the same story. My bet is that the Christmas special will revisit Human Nature in the warm, fluffy, lighthearted way all Christmas specials do. It will stand mostly alone, but will thematically set up what is sure to be a depressing yet hopeful finale story.
My worry is that with the obvious casting, the show will be a thematic re-tread of the previous Christmas special. The Doctor arrives, gets into some wierd alien mystery, and Redfern's progeny meets the Doctor and gets the answers to her own mysterious past and how it was mixed up with him. We've already DONE that several times - I'm hoping that it won't be that yet again.
Also, the pictures suggest that David Tennant has not been artificially aged for this shot. Rumors have hinted taht Tennant would look significantly older in his final show to "preserve" the actor against future appearances.
Mark
My worry is that with the obvious casting, the show will be a thematic re-tread of the previous Christmas special. The Doctor arrives, gets into some wierd alien mystery, and Redfern's progeny meets the Doctor and gets the answers to her own mysterious past and how it was mixed up with him. We've already DONE that several times - I'm hoping that it won't be that yet again.
Also, the pictures suggest that David Tennant has not been artificially aged for this shot. Rumors have hinted taht Tennant would look significantly older in his final show to "preserve" the actor against future appearances.
Mark
No, it isn't; as the presence of Euros Lyn on set indicates, this is for the final two-part special.
Fans have suggested that they could do that, but it's never been an actual rumor about serious plans.
That would put it pretty late in the second half, wouldn't it? Interesting...
I stand corrected. Though I still maintain the notion that this is another thematic retread. Bring on Moffat's new treads!
Mark
Mark
Bring on the t-shirt worthy quotes!
"Hey, who turned out the lights?"
"The angels have the phone box"
What do we know about Susan's parents? Couldn't they be modern day human's, one that Doctor 10 met up with, only to place Susan in Doctor 1's care?
You keep coming up with great ideas. I like the cut of your jib, or whatever.
Oh go away - if I want a story that explains why Susan isn't actually the Doctor's grand-daughter (even though anyone watching season one knows she clearly is), then I can re-read Lungbarrow.
Been there, read that, ignored it and settled for the easy and better option - young 'Hartnell' fell in love, had kids, some of them had kids, and when he left Gallifrey he took his grand-daughter with him, possibly because she was the only one he had a hope of saving.
Why does it have to be any more complex than that?
A PS: Sorry if that sounds snippy... but.. isn't it far more interesting for the Doctor to have had a family that he's loved and lost, and we'll never see as they're long gone, rather than some contrived SF-ish backplot where his grand-daughter isn't his grand-daughter?
Yes, it is far more interesting. It also makes his obsession with travelling with young women poignant instead of creepy.
Apparently Jessica's appearance might only be a cameo.
http://io9.com/5183309/your-spockmccoy-snark-forecast-plus-a-new-riddick-synopsis
http://io9.com/5183309/your-spockmccoy-snark-forecast-plus-a-new-riddick-synopsis
That doesn't seem too conclusive though. If they're filming out of sequence for the specials she could be coming back for non book store stuff at another time.
Though that could be wishful thinking.
Though that could be wishful thinking.