First Contact with the Enterprise-D

[lennier1]

Very nice... I think the FC-colored chairs look good on the 1701-D bridge.

I concur

There's actually a lot of potential in upgrading old bridge concepts to the First Contact style.
Throwing together some bridge parts from my model library here's a simple example of what the floorplan of the Bozeman from TNG's "Cause And Effect" would look like. Far from complete, but you'll get the idea.

 

[B.J.]

I can definitely imagine Captain Bateson on that bridge! But then my mind goes all sideways again and I see him acting like Lt. Commander Dodge.

 

[BillJ]

Really not liking the captain's chair.

With so many stations to the side and behind it... it should really swivel.

 

[Kaiser]

Very nice... I think the FC-colored chairs look good on the 1701-D bridge.

I concur

There's actually a lot of potential in upgrading old bridge concepts to the First Contact style.
Throwing together some bridge parts from my model library here's a simple example of what the floorplan of the Bozeman from TNG's "Cause And Effect" would look like. Far from complete, but you'll get the idea.

I thank you for posting this cus the ship i chosed to command on another forum i go to is a Miranda / Soyuz hybrid design from the 2380's and this is exactly how id picture the Bridge of it looking like with the displays turned off

 

[Eckauskas]

Destroying the Enterprise - D was one of the great mistakes of Star Trek.[/QUOTE]

This, this, a million times this.

 

[Belisarius]

Destroying the ship wasn't necessarily a mistake. Using a Bird-of-Prey to destroy the ship, with some bullshit about shield modulation...now that was a mistake. For example, the refit Enterprise wasn't destroyed by Kruge...Kirk blew her to hell to kill most of Kruge's crew so they could survive. Enterprise-D got her ass handed to her because of Geordi's visor, unquestionably stupid shield control technology, and the lack of a warp-capable saucer section. Two outta three are just poorly conceived plot devices.

The D deserved a noble death. Instead she went down like a grizzly hamstrung by a coyote.


~Belisarius
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"All life is struggle, from first breath to last."
- Anonymous

 

[Kaiser]

Destroying the ship wasn't necessarily a mistake. Using a Bird-of-Prey to destroy the ship, with some bullshit about shield modulation...now that was a mistake. For example, the refit Enterprise wasn't destroyed by Kruge...Kirk blew her to hell to kill most of Kruge's crew so they could survive. Enterprise-D got her ass handed to her because of Geordi's visor, unquestionably stupid shield control technology, and the lack of a warp-capable saucer section. Two outta three are just poorly conceived plot devices.

The D deserved a noble death. Instead she went down like a grizzly hamstrung by a coyote.


~Belisarius
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"All life is struggle, from first breath to last."
- Anonymous

I agree

 

[Tomalak]

Just bumping this to say how much I love Flux Capacitor's photoshopping! The Enterprise-D looks fantastic in those shots. It's a shame really, because with the very wide, graceful profile, she was far more suited to the big screen than a 4:3 TV picture.

 

[lennier1]

Just bumping this to say how much I love Flux Capacitor's photoshopping! The Enterprise-D looks fantastic in those shots. It's a shame really, because with the very wide, graceful profile, she was far more suited to the big screen than a 4:3 TV picture.

SOP for ILM and Andrew Probert. The investment into a TV prop also got Paramount something they could use on the big screen. But as usual with execs it's just another case of "pearls before swine".

 

[JarodRussell]

Problem is that the rather tiny engine room of the D wouldn't have looked as good compared to the pretty huge E engine room.

And there would have been no deflector dish fight, since they could have easily taken a shuttle from the main shuttle bay just one or two decks below the bridge.

 

[lennier1]

That's not really an excuse. The Connie underwent refit upgrades all the time, as proven by the umpteen different bridges.
What would've stopped them from replacing the engineering room set something that's larger and yet simply makes better use of the available space inside the stage's semi-circle?

 

[Captain_Amasov]

Problem is that the rather tiny engine room of the D wouldn't have looked as good compared to the pretty huge E engine room.

And there would have been no deflector dish fight, since they could have easily taken a shuttle from the main shuttle bay just one or two decks below the bridge.

The shuttle wouldn't have helped them though. As pointed out in the film, they didn't know that the Borg were building their device directly over the deflector's particle emitter. So using the shuttle's weapons wouldn't have been viable, which would mean they'd still have needed to go down there themselves and deal with it.

And speaking of shuttles, why didn't the Borg just use the Enterprise-E's own shuttle fleet to attack the Phoenix, or even the silo complex? Also why was locking out the computer core such an obstacle for the Borg? They seemed to be operating their own technology aboard the Enterprise-E pretty well, so they must have built their own version of a computer core onboard using assimilated technology from the Enterprise. So why not just establish their own connections to the propulsion and weapon systems using their own technology. I mean, isn't that what the whole assimilation thing is about?

 

[Guartho]

So why not just establish their own connections to the propulsion and weapon systems using their own technology. I mean, isn't that what the whole assimilation thing is about?

I assume all of this would have happened eventually. We were simply fortunate that assimilation of something as complex as a Sovereign class starship using only a handful of drones is a fairly time-consuming process.

 

[Tomalak]

Problem is that the rather tiny engine room of the D wouldn't have looked as good compared to the pretty huge E engine room.

The sets would have had to have been rebuilt anyway, because they were all converted into Voyager's. I think that was one of the reasons given for destroying the D in the first place.

They got away with just reusing the sickbay, some corridors and the transporter room (and possibly crew quarters?) from Voyager, adding their own bridge, engineering and more corridors. Other sets like Troi's office and the library in Insurrection are also redressed Voyager sets.

And there would have been no deflector dish fight, since they could have easily taken a shuttle from the main shuttle bay just one or two decks below the bridge.

The Enterprise-E's main shuttebay is also on top of the saucer, totally free of Borg from Worf's dialogue about them only getting as far as deck 11. That's just shoddy writing It's like all those Voyager episodes were the transporters are disabled due to [plot device], and I'm just screaming "use a shuttle you idiots! They have transporters too!".

 

[Rarewolf]

It's the same for Nemesis too. They could have found one shuttle with a transporter, or maybe something a little bigger with a tractor beam.

 

[JarodRussell]

The Enterprise-E's main shuttebay is also on top of the saucer, totally free of Borg from Worf's dialogue about them only getting as far as deck 11. That's just shoddy writing It's like all those Voyager episodes were the transporters are disabled due to [plot device], and I'm just screaming "use a shuttle you idiots! They have transporters too!".

To be fair, the script was probably written long before the ship had been designed.

 

[Tomalak]

The Enterprise-E's main shuttebay is also on top of the saucer, totally free of Borg from Worf's dialogue about them only getting as far as deck 11. That's just shoddy writing It's like all those Voyager episodes were the transporters are disabled due to [plot device], and I'm just screaming "use a shuttle you idiots! They have transporters too!".

To be fair, the script was probably written long before the ship had been designed.

I would have thought they were going on concurrently. I imagine it's pretty hard keeping the design process consistent with the ever-changing drafts of the script (which of course can change on the studio floor as it's being shot).

Some things will always slip through the net, and this wasn't a major plot hole. As noted, convenient temporary shuttlecraft amnesia happens all the time on Star Trek, way back to 'The Enemy Within'.

It's like the USS Yamato registration number in 'Where Silence Has Lease'; Mike Okuda was going to correct the erroneous 1305-E in the script, but saw it was dropped in a subsequent revision, and didn't follow it up. It was only after seeing the tx that he realised the line had been put back.

 

[Seven of Five]

I love the Enterprise-D. Externally it already looks lovely, but internally I thought they did a great job lighting it in Generations. I wish that either the ship had carried on being used in the other films, or even having a refit-Galaxy class be the new Enterprise in First Contact. The Ent-E was ugly from a lot of angles, I thought.

 

[Hutchy01]

What ever happened to the Photoshop threads?

 

[DataLore16]

The Enterprise-D was a truly unique ship and I was more upset over her loss in Generations than that of Captain Kirk. Shows what era I grew up in! haha. I wish they could have used her and updated the interiors sufficiently for First Contact as it would have been more upsetting I think for Picard to be losing THAT Enterprise to the Borg. I think his Captain Ahab thing would have been even more powerful. I thought the Enterprise-D looked great on the big screen and deserved more time. I have always been a bit mixed on the E-E as it just seems like the Enterprise-B on steroids. I don't like the deflector dish and the long nacelles, just seems like a step backward in design. And the bridge seems smaller and less grand.