First Contact Vs. Star Trek XI

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Trek-lemmings, eh?

"I'm not the one that's crazy! It's the whole world that's crazy!"

Yep, everybody's out of step but Johnny.

Odd that the folks who accuse us of lacking discriminatory powers never manage to demonstrate such interesting taste or any exceptional intelligence which would suggest that they're in the position to make such an evaluation. They're not more perceptive than other people, just fewer in number.

 

[CaptainStoner]

There are plenty of elements I didn't like about STXI, but if you can't have fun watching it, you're doing it wrong. If you can't see a movie because of lens flares, you're doing it wrong.
At least get yourself an informed opinion. I fully expected to be cheesed out by STXI and was pleasantly surprised by the quality of the acting, and enjoyed the ride of the movie.
Old Spock + Vulcan Science Vessel = WIN (still hoping for a kit of that ship)

I'd rather see old style phasers rather than lens-flaring laser cannons, but damn. Missing that film on the big screen was a mistake, unless you've got a rocking home theater. When the Enterprise went to warp, I felt it in my sternum where I saw it.

 

[GhostFaceSaint]

I have a great home theater set up with the big screen HD TV at its heart, big HD TV's should be mandatory for Trekkies to enjoy there Star Trek with, especially the movies.

 

[STR]

If you expect it to be bad and hold out no hope, then it will be bad and have nothing worth seeing. By the way, in the theater, the lens flares didn't bother me a bit. I didn't even notice them, to be honest.

I'd say that's only true if it's a close call. I expected to like ST11, I was even holding out hope that I'd love it. I saw it and I was conflicted. Imagine Data having his first drink in Generations. Someone else had to point out that I hated it.

 

[JarodRussell]

Trek-lemmings, eh?

"I'm not the one that's crazy! It's the whole world that's crazy!"

Well, there is plenty of historical evidence that majorities can be wrong.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

The lens flares are an online joke - there were a lot of them, but they didn't bother me. Nor did the camera movement bother me. It's funny that virtually no professional reviewers ever mention stuff like this that online "critics" fixate on.

 

[Cyke101]

Trek-lemmings, eh?

"I'm not the one that's crazy! It's the whole world that's crazy!"

Well, there is plenty of historical evidence that majorities can be wrong.

Okay, slight majorities, but still

 

[Amaris]

If you expect it to be bad and hold out no hope, then it will be bad and have nothing worth seeing. By the way, in the theater, the lens flares didn't bother me a bit. I didn't even notice them, to be honest.

I'd say that's only true if it's a close call. I expected to like ST11, I was even holding out hope that I'd love it. I saw it and I was conflicted. Imagine Data having his first drink in Generations. Someone else had to point out that I hated it.

Yes and no. When I say expecting it to be bad and holding out no hope, I mean really critiquing it to hate it. When there's a funny moment, "Oh what, I guess we can't take these characters seriously!? I knew it!" and then when there's a sobering moment, "I guess Hollywood only has wooden actors anymore". Excellent special effects, "Oh wow, look, it's all eye candy. Shine but no substance!" and then when it's possible to discern something in the CGI, "I guess they couldn't afford to make a quality Trek movie".

It comes down to there being no way for the movie to win, no matter what it does.

J.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Trek-lemmings, eh?

"I'm not the one that's crazy! It's the whole world that's crazy!"

Well, there is plenty of historical evidence that majorities can be wrong.

Okay, slight majorities, but still

We're not talking about elections or warfare. We're talking about entertainment. The majority can't be wrong - nor can the minority. It's all a matter of taste and preference. That said, the majority must rule. Because:

The audience is always right.

A lot of people hate that, but it's absolutely true.

And anyone who's responsible for making decisions that require spending other peoples money should have it tattooed on the inside of their eyelids.

The audience is always right.

I love Serenity, but there is no reasonable argument in favor of Universal greenlighting Serenity II. On the flip side, there is no sane reason that folks at Paramount should give a fuck about the opinion of anyone who adopts the premise that Abrams's Star Trek is anything other than great.

 

[Shazam!]

It's funny that virtually no professional reviewers ever mention stuff like this that online "critics" fixate on.

Probably because JJ Abram's is doing it for them:

"I know there are certain shots where even I watch and think, 'Oh that's ridiculous, that was too many.'

I didn't mind the lens flares. I generally quite like it when directors try to stamp their movies with some sort of idenity.

 

[Shazam!]

The audience is always right.

Does that mean 'Candle in the Wind' is the greatest song of all time?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

The audience is always right.

Does that mean 'Candle in the Wind' is the greatest song of all time?

Why, is it the biggest selling?

In that instance, it is at least one of the most successful songs of all time and arguably one of the most popular. In which case any producer or music publisher who passed on it in favor of purchasing rights to "Everything Is Elvis" should at least have their future decision-making authority made extremely limited for the sake of their investors or employers.

 

[ST-One]

I've seen the first few minutes on youtube, and even with that low-rez image, the lens flares were appalling, it looked like something shot by a child.

Yeah, judge the cinematography and a whole film on a few minutes of a poor, cropped, washed out, blown out, very low-rez screener copy of that film.
Now, that's objectivity.

 

[number6]

The audience is always right.

Does that mean 'Candle in the Wind' is the greatest song of all time?

What the hell is wrong with Candle in the Wind??

Goodbye Yellobrick Road was Elton's best album!!

That song is a classic.

 

[JarodRussell]

Well, there is plenty of historical evidence that majorities can be wrong.

Okay, slight majorities, but still

We're not talking about elections or warfare.

Oh, we are definately talking about an election. With money.

 

[number6]

Okay, slight majorities, but still

We're not talking about elections or warfare.

Oh, we are definately talking about an election. With money.

Using your logic, according to the Box Office, this film wins and you lose.

 

[Maverick11359]

Star Trek XI on Blu ray is possibly the greatest flic I've ever seen,with best story, script, visual and sound effects...As far as second preferences personally I prefered Insurrection in comparison to First contact..

Who's to say this new alternative time line isn't as good as our old beloved Star Trek universe, if it brings in millions of young new fans and rebirths Star trek again for the next century that's agood thing , lets face it the old guard has come to an end,we will always love it but it dies with us. ..The bean counters show the proof of the pudding ST XI is the most popular Star Trek movie yet to visit the big screens...


Mav.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

We're not talking about elections or warfare.

Oh, we are definately talking about an election. With money.

No.

Nice attempted rhetorical flourish, but you missed the point.

The audience is always right.

People can like or dislike whatever they're moved to - comparing the direction of a movie like this one to "something shot by a child," however, is simply an irrational expression of bitterness that really disqualifies the opinion as something to be taken seriously by someone with any detachment at all.

It's the same principle upon which an educated person can tune out someone who proffers that "my kid can draw as well as Picasso." Granted, no one in the movie business, much less Abrams, is working on that level but the principle is the same.

 

[Shazam!]

Goodbye Yellobrick Road was Elton's best album!!

That song is a classic.

That's true enough.

 

[JarodRussell]

We're not talking about elections or warfare.

Oh, we are definately talking about an election. With money.

Using your logic, according to the Box Office, this film wins and you lose.

Not quite. Unless you think that in an election, the voters themselves lose when the guy they voted for is not elected.