First Contact-era uniform mod

[Ptrope]

Just because I'm A Guy, I suppose ... I just like the idea of keeping some sort of skirt for women's uniforms in Trek. Not necessarily a miniskirt, but, hey, if we could go all those years with Ally McBeal's barely-concealing strips of cloth, why do we have to put Trek's later women (and pre-TOS, for that matter) in pants?

 

[Kelso]

I vote 'yes'.

 

[Nightfall to-Ennien]

I know a number of Chakonans who would find that a great deal more practical a uniform as well as simply allowing a bit more variation in Starfleet uniforms which, at times, seem all too one-size-fits-all... I mean, even in TOS they had the standard uniform, two variations on the skirt, a tunic with the same neckline as the skirt, the jumpsuit, the wraparounds, and the short-sleeved medical shirt that McCoy was fond of wearing.

 

[blakbyrd]

I vote 'yes'.

Likewise.

 

[EliyahuQeoni]

I like it and see no problem with women having a choice in pants or skirts. And while the TNG skants get a lot of grief, I think a kilt-like uniform would realistically be a viable option for men, and not unprecedented since Scotty wore one with his dress uniform

 

[biotech]

Yes, but could do with being much shorter!

 

[Furlong]

I like the design as well.

 

[Bill Morris]

This is assuming there will never be any Ferengi women in Starfleet, right?

 

[hellsgate]

I like the variant. Its about time that Starfleet offered something a bit more flattering than the "skant". After all, a human male can't live on holodeck & replicator rations alone.

 

[Admiral2]

I vote "No".

One of the reasons I loved The Cage so much is that it was made in the early sixties, yet the powers that be were forward-thinking enough to put the female officers in pants. I thought that was great. Then along came the regular series, and apparently some idiot decided that the female officers should look like freakin' go-go dancers...and yes, I'm a guy, and yes, I like eye candy as much as the next guy, but either you're a forward-thinking series or you're just more sci-fi pulp, and as far as I'm concerned that go-go girl uni just made Trek into sci-fi pulp. Then TNG came, and there was so much about that series that I didn't like that I didn't get to enjoy the fact that the female officers were back in pants. Then, of course, came the attack of the catsuits.

Look, it's a great model and she has nice legs, but it wouldn't be necessary for me to see them every scene in order for me to enjoy the show.

 

[Danoz]

Just because I'm A Guy, I suppose ... I just like the idea of keeping some sort of skirt for women's uniforms in Trek. Not necessarily a miniskirt, but, hey, if we could go all those years with Ally McBeal's barely-concealing strips of cloth, why do we have to put Trek's later women (and pre-TOS, for that matter) in pants?

I voted yes..

but I think realistically, professional women in the 24th century would elect to NOT look like intergalactic cheerleaders .

 

[Patrickivan]

YES!

But what is she wearing under the uniform??!!

 

[Ptrope]

I vote "No".

One of the reasons I loved The Cage so much is that it was made in the early sixties, yet the powers that be were forward-thinking enough to put the female officers in pants. I thought that was great. Then along came the regular series, and apparently some idiot decided that the female officers should look like freakin' go-go dancers...and yes, I'm a guy, and yes, I like eye candy as much as the next guy, but either you're a forward-thinking series or you're just more sci-fi pulp, and as far as I'm concerned that go-go girl uni just made Trek into sci-fi pulp. Then TNG came, and there was so much about that series that I didn't like that I didn't get to enjoy the fact that the female officers were back in pants. Then, of course, came the attack of the catsuits.

Look, it's a great model and she has nice legs, but it wouldn't be necessary for me to see them every scene in order for me to enjoy the show.

Not to disagree with you at all, or anyone who doesn't like women in skirts, but I would like to know how pants are more "forward thinking." I work in a building filled with attorneys and other professionals, and I see, every day, dozens of women who are dressed very professionally, in skirts or dresses and high heels. And I'm not talking about skirts down past the knee, either. We've come a long way since the '60s, though maybe not as fas as we could, I suppose, and yet many women, who have no one to answer to but themselves, and who have as much or more power than the men around them, choose to bare their legs and even to accentuate them. And they do this in court, in boardrooms, everywhere. Of course, they're not going to go into a firefight like that, and I'll even acknowledge that the super-short skirts of the '60s were extreme, but I don't see pants as The Great Equalizer that some do, nor even, frankly, any more practical. Not that I would wear a skirt, and I'll even admit that's sexist of me, but I don't think that skirts, themselves, are sexist or backward-thinking. YMMV, of course .

 

[Redfern]

Besides, wasn't it either Majel Barrett or Grace Lee Whitney rather than Roddenberry or one of the PTB who suggested the mini-skirts as that was considered the "liberating" fashion of the time? I know I read that somewhere though it's quite possible the account is erroneous.

Sincerely,

Bill

 

[EliyahuQeoni]

Besides, wasn't it either Majel Barrett or Grace Lee Whitney rather than Roddenberry or one of the PTB who suggested the mini-skirts as that was considered the "liberating" fashion of the time? I know I read that somewhere though it's quite possible the account is erroneous.

I don't know about that, but Nichelle Nichols requested a skirt uniform for the movies because she hated the pants.

 

[Sean_McCormick]

I vote "No".

One of the reasons I loved The Cage so much is that it was made in the early sixties, yet the powers that be were forward-thinking enough to put the female officers in pants. I thought that was great. Then along came the regular series, and apparently some idiot decided that the female officers should look like freakin' go-go dancers...and yes, I'm a guy, and yes, I like eye candy as much as the next guy, but either you're a forward-thinking series or you're just more sci-fi pulp, and as far as I'm concerned that go-go girl uni just made Trek into sci-fi pulp. Then TNG came, and there was so much about that series that I didn't like that I didn't get to enjoy the fact that the female officers were back in pants. Then, of course, came the attack of the catsuits.

Look, it's a great model and she has nice legs, but it wouldn't be necessary for me to see them every scene in order for me to enjoy the show.

Not to disagree with you at all, or anyone who doesn't like women in skirts, but I would like to know how pants are more "forward thinking." I work in a building filled with attorneys and other professionals, and I see, every day, dozens of women who are dressed very professionally, in skirts or dresses and high heels. And I'm not talking about skirts down past the knee, either. We've come a long way since the '60s, though maybe not as fas as we could, I suppose, and yet many women, who have no one to answer to but themselves, and who have as much or more power than the men around them, choose to bare their legs and even to accentuate them. And they do this in court, in boardrooms, everywhere. Of course, they're not going to go into a firefight like that, and I'll even acknowledge that the super-short skirts of the '60s were extreme, but I don't see pants as The Great Equalizer that some do, nor even, frankly, any more practical. Not that I would wear a skirt, and I'll even admit that's sexist of me, but I don't think that skirts, themselves, are sexist or backward-thinking. YMMV, of course .

That is something i like of recent TOS-era Fanfilms, female officers, who wear the miniskirt on board and change into pants for away-missions.

 

[Admiral2]

Not to disagree with you at all, or anyone who doesn't like women in skirts, but I would like to know how pants are more "forward thinking." I work in a building filled with attorneys and other professionals, and I see, every day, dozens of women who are dressed very professionally, in skirts or dresses and high heels.

Because we're not talking about a law firm, a bank, or a publishing company. We're talking about a military organization, and in such a setting you try your best to achieve uniformity, and a "female uniform" is an unnecessary variation if your claim is that everyone in that organization, male and female, is equal. It's a uniform made for women just because they're women, which would be like a seperate uniform of a different color for people who are Black. And a female uniform that's deliberately titilating is not just unnecessary, it's pandering.

And I'm not talking about skirts down past the knee, either. We've come a long way since the '60s, though maybe not as fas as we could, I suppose, and yet many women, who have no one to answer to but themselves, and who have as much or more power than the men around them, choose to bare their legs and even to accentuate them. And they do this in court, in boardrooms, everywhere.

Again, we're talking about a military organization, where you don't get a choice as to what you want to wear. And maybe it's great that some women would love to just flash their legs everywhere, but under the circumstance i'm describing, what about the women who don't want to be Ally McBeal in space?

Of course, they're not going to go into a firefight like that, and I'll even acknowledge that the super-short skirts of the '60s were extreme, but I don't see pants as The Great Equalizer that some do, nor even, frankly, any more practical.

Except for that extra layer of protection for your legs that you might need if you do get in a firefight, which the guys shooting at you are not going to give you time to change into if they have the advantage of surprise.

Not that I would wear a skirt, and I'll even admit that's sexist of me, but I don't think that skirts, themselves, are sexist or backward-thinking. YMMV, of course .

Of course my MV, which is why I'm the only one here who voted no, and I'm sticking with that. (shrug)

 

[Ptrope]

Of course my MV, which is why I'm the only one here who voted no, and I'm sticking with that. (shrug)

As you should - though I don't think you're the only one who voted "No," only the one who stated it.

Because we're not talking about a law firm, a bank, or a publishing company. We're talking about a military organization, and in such a setting you try your best to achieve uniformity, and a "female uniform" is an unnecessary variation if your claim is that everyone in that organization, male and female, is equal. It's a uniform made for women just because they're women, which would be like a seperate uniform of a different color for people who are Black. And a female uniform that's deliberately titilating is not just unnecessary, it's pandering.

Who says it's deliberately titillating? Let's face it, slacks can be titillating, too, as are diapers, to some. And Starfleet is not a military organization, only quasi-military, with an emphasis more on science and diplomacy than on military or police operations; at least, that's what they keep telling us. The U.S. military, particularly the Navy, upon which Starfleet's paramilitary structure is based, does indeed have separate dress/service uniforms for men and women, and the women's uniforms include a skirt. This also applies to the army and air force, and, I suspect, is not uncommon in several military organizations the world over.

As for the race card, I'm surprised and, frankly, a bit disappointed that we felt the need to go there. It was irrelevant to this discussion, at best.

Again, we're talking about a military organization, where you don't get a choice as to what you want to wear. And maybe it's great that some women would love to just flash their legs everywhere, but under the circumstance i'm describing, what about the women who don't want to be Ally McBeal in space?

I wouldn't call that skirt Ally McBeal

 

[EliyahuQeoni]

Because we're not talking about a law firm, a bank, or a publishing company. We're talking about a military organization, and in such a setting you try your best to achieve uniformity, and a "female uniform" is an unnecessary variation if your claim is that everyone in that organization, male and female, is equal.

Tell that to the U.S. Navy

 

[C.E. Evans]

Just because I'm A Guy, I suppose ... I just like the idea of keeping some sort of skirt for women's uniforms in Trek. Not necessarily a miniskirt, but, hey, if we could go all those years with Ally McBeal's barely-concealing strips of cloth, why do we have to put Trek's later women (and pre-TOS, for that matter) in pants?

I hear ya, man.

In my old fanfics, I had miniskirt uniforms in the First Contact-era too as an optional choice for female personnel. This looked exactly like I imagined it would...