'fire one shot and we'll blast you back where we found you"?

[Brolan]

Truth be told, I never found Klingons realistic. It's simply impossible to develop a civilization with such aggressiveness. Sure, an alien species may have different advantages, but we don't see other advantages, they are simply: human but aggressive. e.g. Vulcans are 100 times more intelligently depicted: They are shown to have been trying to repress feelings but at the same time there is a backstory that makes perfect sence: their physiology makes it easy to explode emotionally so some emotion-repressing meditation is constantly needed, makes sense. Klingons, what are they, humans from the dark ages. They have nothing other than being aggressive, humans with a problem. Realism and logic suggests they are a fairy tale, they would not have developed beyond caves with such aggressiveness, how are they even going to develop groups for a common purpose with such hate and destructive tendencies. Unless they stole it all.

A starship board game called Star Fleet Battles was created in the '80s based upon TOS. In that game the crewman of the Klingon ships are alien slaves kept under Klingon control. The Klingons command and do the fighting. I always wondered if we would see that in Star Trek sometime.

 

[Noname Given]

It doesn't fit with how klingons are depicted almost anywhere else. Simple as that, even if the 'bullies' parallel isn't exactly right.

You need to watch the Original Star Trek series more then.

 

[MeanJoePhaser]

Honor is relative and not all bullies are cowards. (some are just looking for a fight)

I think Archer would've been forced to destroy the Klingons in Marauders (if he really wanted to end what was going on). No A-Team bullshit.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned, one Bird of Prey (kewl ship ) gets hijacked by augments and the Klingons are ready to blame Earth and start a war.

What, they can't get back one freaking ship? Enterprise Klingons seem ragingly incompetent, from Klaang to Duras to the meddling with the Augment DNA.

 

[pookha]

i dont know if archer would have had to destory the klingons in mauraders but he for sure would have had to do something more beside what they did.
really the situation would have been a good opening for a birth of the federation story were archer puts together an alliance of different species who have delt with the miners and then let the klingons know that if they even sneeze near the planet again multiple species will be coming after them.

 

[tobindax]

Marauders was clever on the basic idea that Enterprise should not be the main force but to teach them how to fight (the "teach a man to fish" story).

However, it was silly the way it was executed and made Klingons ready to leave. It was just a fire surrounding them and a threat that more fire was below them. Big deal.

 

[DarthPipes]

I think Archer would've been forced to destroy the Klingons in Marauders (if he really wanted to end what was going on). No A-Team bullshit.

Oh yeah, it was so A-Team it wasn't even funny. Not to mention it stole from Blazing Saddles.

 

[JuanBolio]

I think you're missing the point - Klingons might love combat and be exceedingly brave - but they aren't stupid. The Klingon captain knew he stood no chance, and so opted not to attack. I think you're a little too attached to the TNG/DS9 era Klingons. Watch some more TOS - Klingons are nothing if not pragmatic.

 

[tobindax]

tos showed them for like 10 seconds and then the same cast was shown on movies with reimagined 'bully/stupid/ugly' klingons.

 

[JuanBolio]

The only stupidly aggressive Klingons in the TOS movies were those in Star Trek V.

Klingons come in all flavors. Plenty of them know when to back down.

 

[Timo]

...Especially the TOS ones, most of whom were downright civil and graceful at defeat. Not to mention honorable as all hell, as Kang likes to point out in "Day of the Dove", reminding Kirk that the Klingons have followed the Organian Peace Treaty to the letter while Kirk now seems to have broken it. Obviously, Kang has not been informed on what Kras was doing in "Friday's Child"!

So yes, probably the Empire has always had its mixture of honorable Kangs and dishonorable Krases, and of those who seek glory in suicidally bold attacks and those who flee when facing defeat.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[SFRabid]

It is sort of like saying all humans are the same. Even all dogs are not the same. Why should all Klingons be the same?

 

[Noname Given]

...Especially the TOS ones, most of whom were downright civil and graceful at defeat. Not to mention honorable as all hell, as Kang likes to point out in "Day of the Dove", reminding Kirk that the Klingons have followed the Organian Peace Treaty to the letter while Kirk now seems to have broken it. Obviously, Kang has not been informed on what Kras was doing in "Friday's Child"!

So yes, probably the Empire has always had its mixture of honorable Kangs and dishonorable Krases, and of those who seek glory in suicidally bold attacks and those who flee when facing defeat.

Timo Saloniemi

Don't forget the 'honorable' Klingon posioning of the grain shipment in The Trouble With Tribbles.

 

[DarthPipes]

Excellent point.

 

[DarthPipes]

Actually, it makes less sense for the Mirror Universe to function as it is. The constant assassinations would destablize any military or societal structure.

 

[Nimthim]

If you haven't read the Wikipedia article about Klingons, you might give it a look - it gives an overview of the varying Klingon appearances in the different series with a chronological history, and offers an opinion on the disparity of Klingon behavior and appearance. Also, several references that Klingon culture could not continue as shown in TNG era.
From ENT to TOS is a century, as is TOS to TNG - much can change in a society in a century - look how much ours can change in a decade. I supposed that after Kirk dealt the Klingons several defeats, that the super-aggressive warrior caste was able to muscle to power and impose their point of view on Klingon society as seen in TNG.
And I guess I can't understand why each alien race should be perceived as one note/one stroke with no individuality in behavior. There SHOULD be those in each race of aliens that act dfferently and respond differently.

 

[pookha]

tos showed them for like 10 seconds and then the same cast was shown on movies with reimagined 'bully/stupid/ugly' klingons.

uh,,,
the klingons were woven in and out of tos through all three seasons even though they appear late first season.

and i agree with several of the others here in why not expect there to be individual differences within a species.
each of the klingon captains are very distinctive from each other and while i would have liked to have seen more of kor in some ways i am glad the plan to have one reoccuring captain didnt work out.

some odd thoughts..
it is often forgetten that the klingons in early tos were so distrustul of each other they were all under constant surveillance.

always under surveillance. Even a commander like myself, always under surveillance

one could almost see the klingons from mauraders as renegades living on the edge of the empire.
maybe misfits who didnt rise to the standards of the klingon military.

they are not wearing uniforms and the ship even looks old and rusty.

klingon ship from mauraders