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Final Crisis...Big Headache...

I just finished reading it a couple of days ago and I thought it was pretentious claptrap. Out of all the 'Crisis' stories, 'Identity Crisis' is by far my favourite.
 
Honestly, I don't think you can rate any comic book--or movie or novel or play--just by reading a synopsis on-line. A story is more than just a plot. It's all about the execution: the dialogue, the staging, the art, the prose, the characterization, the acting, the mood and atmosphere, etc.

Evaluating FINAL CRISIS (or any comic) on the basis of its wikipedia entry is like saying you've seen LAWRENCE OF ARABIA just because you've read its imdb listing.

("He dies in a motorcycle crash? Lame!")
 
What I've read so far doesn't encourage me to read it though, and if I had a breakdown thread discussing Lawrence of Arabia in this way, and it was this bad, I wouldn't want to watch it either.
 
The Supermen of other realities.
Or as I call it Morrison using the Multiverse as a dues ex machina.
FC is all about the Multiverse, so I don't see using characters from it as a big deal.

Exactly. It isn't a deus ex machina if the story was moving towards that resolution the whole time. A deus ex machina is a device which gets the story out of an unresolvable narrative corner.
 
Yeah reading #7 was a fun experience for me. All of a sudden Darkseid is gone and the actual villain is some space vampire who never appeared before or was even mentioned in the series. Jeez.
That's why you need to read Final Crisis: Superman Beyond. It's two essential chapters of the story. DC didn't quite promote it that way, however.
 
Talking only in 'trade' terms - what trades should I get prior to reading the Final Crisis 'trade'?
 
Final Crisis as a story is fairly heavy on symbolism and such; it's much less a conventional superhero story than a giant allegory (for example, the Super Young Team disappears near the end as a commentary on new characters getting introduced into the DCU and then slowly fading away while the old standards go on). Like a lot of Morrison's work, makes it fairly divisive.

Except, I viewed the Super Young Team not as new characters but as new versions of the Forever People. Which fits in what you're saying, except with recreated older characters, made "multi-cultural," but eventually replaced by the originals.
 
Talking only in 'trade' terms - what trades should I get prior to reading the Final Crisis 'trade'?
None. The only essential part of the story that is not "Final Crisis" proper is "Superman Beyond", and it is included in the trade.


There's also a couple of tie-in issues of BATMAN that fill in a gap in the story.

Are you talking about the additional issues in the Batman RIP trade which cover Batman being mentally taken over by The Lump (or something similar).

Btw, I was completely mystified when reading it (it's supposed to happen in the middle of FC while Batman is on Apokolips and there's nothing in the trade to "bridge" why Batman has been captured etc.) but then Batman RIP kinda mystified me if I try to approach it with any level of detail.
 
None. The only essential part of the story that is not "Final Crisis" proper is "Superman Beyond", and it is included in the trade.


There's also a couple of tie-in issues of BATMAN that fill in a gap in the story.

Are you talking about the additional issues in the Batman RIP trade which cover Batman being mentally taken over by The Lump (or something similar).

Btw, I was completely mystified when reading it (it's supposed to happen in the middle of FC while Batman is on Apokolips and there's nothing in the trade to "bridge" why Batman has been captured etc.) but then Batman RIP kinda mystified me if I try to approach it with any level of detail.


I haven't looked at the RIP trade yet, but, yeah, those issues with with the Lump take place in the middle of FINAL CRISIS and explain how Batman escaped from that futuristic iron maiden thingie.

Very minor spoilers . . . .
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He's not actually on Apokolips, by the way. He's being held captive by Darkseid's minions in an underground bunker in Bludhaven, after being captured earlier in FINAL CRISIS.
 
The timeline between "R.I.P." and Final Crisis isn't necessarily stated, but it goes like this: Batman presumably crawls from the water and returns to the Batcave, missing his Cowl (which Dr. Hurt has cursed and told Bruce that he will die when he wears it again). While there he gets an emergency call from the League (as seen in Batman #683.

Then he's seen in Final Crisis #1 wearing the Cowl and again, still in the Cowl in Final Crisis #2 where he's captured by Darkseid's forces (who exactly is a spoiler for the book). We see bits of his past after he's captured and attached to the Lump in Batman #682 and 683.

After he poisons the Lump with his memories and then things go to Hell, Mokkari and Simyan flee, as they commit Cardinal Sin #1 of Batman villains, leaving him with his utility belt ("Leave his belt! Leave everything").

In the belt, of course, is the bullet that killed Orion, which he placed there earlier in Final Crisis. He finds a gun and emerges in Final Crisis #6. The rest, as they say, is history.
 
missing his Cowl (which Dr. Hurt has cursed and told Bruce that he will die when he wears it again).
What comic was this in? I don't remember reading this in the RIP trade.
 
So is this REALLY gonna be the absolute final crisis? Or is this another example of DC trotting out another crisis year after year? Seems that whenever they do this, it never works. Crisis on Infinite Earths was supposed to wrap everything up, yet it obviously didn't, so we got Zero Hour. That didn't work, so then came Infinite Crisis. And lo and behold, that didn't do anything either, so now there's FINAL Crisis. What's next? Absolutely The Finalest Crisis Ever, We Really Mean It This Time? :lol:
 
missing his Cowl (which Dr. Hurt has cursed and told Bruce that he will die when he wears it again).
What comic was this in? I don't remember reading this in the RIP trade.

Batman #681--Dr. Hurt: "Then I curse the cape and cowl. As you will soon! The next time you wear it will be the last!"

Of course, it helps if you take the leap of logic that Morrison seems to hope we will and assume that Dr. Hurt is really the Devil.
 
So is this REALLY gonna be the absolute final crisis? Or is this another example of DC trotting out another crisis year after year? Seems that whenever they do this, it never works. Crisis on Infinite Earths was supposed to wrap everything up, yet it obviously didn't, so we got Zero Hour. That didn't work, so then came Infinite Crisis. And lo and behold, that didn't do anything either, so now there's FINAL Crisis. What's next? Absolutely The Finalest Crisis Ever, We Really Mean It This Time? :lol:
There never is a real FINAL crisis! next decade it will be the ''HONEST TO GAWD GUYS, THIS IS THE FINAL CRISIS crisis!:lol:
 
To be fair, FINAL CRISIS was never intended to be a univeral reboot designed to straighten out glitches in DC continuity. It's just supposed to be a big, chewy crossover saga, albeit somewhat darker and more enigmatic than most.
 
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