Was thinking the same thing. Voyager lost me because there was a lot of scifi to watch.
Films are always about the same guys
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Lack of competition....
Even so, if a series just isn't good, will there be audience for it?
Even so, if a series just isn't good, will there be audience for it?
Sometimes. Scifi is so niche that sone fans will take what they can get.
I always felt they should do a "Avengers" type of Trek. Well this was even before the first "Avengers" movie but you get the point. Take classic and favorite characters from each show and have a Avenger. One idea for example would be a Rescue Spock movie were Romulans are the bad guys. Picard,Data and Worf team up Kira,Garak O"Brien.O'Brien Seven, EMH and Tuvok to go into Romulan space to rescue him using two ships they buy from Quark. One ship goes to this alien planet where Spock might be and has some new aliens we have never seen before. The other involves a space battle with this Romulan ship under the command of big movie star ROmulan like Daniel Craig as they try and get to Romulus and see if they can find him their and beam him up. The missions collide and at the end they do rescue Spock.
Also wasn't there a serious lack of competition in general during TOS' run when it came to reasonably well written Scfi shows that weren't aimed mainly at children?
I mean there was the Twilight Zone, but that was a very different kind of scifi.
Over time it became less pleasing.
As soon as I hear anything regarding ‘plans for a Kelvin movie’ I immediately regard it as suspect… If TPTB actually had a coherent plan for Star Trek movies then we wouldn’t still be here waiting for Kelvin 4, 7 years later…
I’d like to add, I think there’s a potentially decent movie to be made from DSC/SNW… I just don’t think there’s sufficient money to be made in terms of justifying such a production.
The word I'd use to describe this phenomena is groundbreaking.
The Outer Limits, Lost In Space. The Time Tunnel. The Land of the Giants, etc... https://www.imdb.com/list/ls000097399/
There was plenty of 60s sci-fi tv, but IMHO none of it was as good as Star Trek. That's an entirely different circumstance than no competition. It's easy to look upon those days & lose appreciation for just how special Star Trek was
But TOS really gained their ground and fanbase in the 70s.
A second or two of dialogue confirming the main vessel in question is NOT the Enterprise would solve that bit.
Same thing if it was on a space station.
A female captain would confuse people? I don't think so.
Seems like there's a general idea floating around the population is incredibly stupid.
Tehy go to the movies and watch/understand plots of convoluted movies on a regular basis... Trek (sometimes) does things logically.
Plus, we see an increasing amount of people WANTING sometihing different and not spoon feeding them info.
If a whole bunch of non Trek movies can NOT confuse people, then Trek certainly can do the same.
But as I wrote most of that was primarily aimed at children. And anthology shows like Twilight Zone and Outer Limits are a whole different animal from something like Trek.
Oh yes, it would.
It's not stupidity. It's just they don't have the same thought process regarding Star Trek. They don't follow Trek as closely and automatically expect Kirk (or Picard) and the Enterprise when they see the name "Star Trek". Doesn't matter what it's said early in the movie.
Oh yes, it would.
How and why?
VOY is fairly well known as a Trek TV series, so is Janeway.
And its not like Trek didn't showcase female captain (black too) back in ST:IV.
One doesn't have to follow Trek closely to get into it or have everything served to them on a silver platter.
But as I said, a few seconds of dialogue would clear things up for the most part.
Voyager isn't that well known. People don't pay attention. Most people go through their lives without paying attention to Star Trek.
You'd think that. People don't listen or pay attention closely, especially if they don't care about it enough.
I mean I'm not disagreeing with you, but at least VOY got a couple references on Simpsons. DS9 or ENT never even got that.
I don’t know if Comic Book Guy trying to download Janeway Porn on his dial-up counts, but the finale party scene was pretty good.
True, but one still has to make fans - many movie series started from a book, radio play, or tv show... how many started out as a successful movie? Apart from "Rocky" and "Star Wars", but as the general rule goes, "every rule has an exception"... (except for that one)
Being sci-fi, which is generally niche as far as genres go, at least Star Wars had a new way to do effects that were engaging, combined with a suitably good story underneath. A suitably good story about some whiny teen, coddled by some creepy old guy*, is told about and awed by magic, completes an impossible task while believing said magic (as well as hearing voices out of the blue telling him what to do**), and yet the ending didn't for once say "there's no such thing as magic, you did this all by yourself" - which is good, because such an ending is dreadfully overdone already....
But, yeah, the chances of DS(9 VOY, or a new crew based on the older series being embraced so quickly, if introduced for the first time on a big screen, that isn't the dusty old established ones, is fairly small. Even in the 1990s, despite more general audiences liking the show, it still was more niche... The TNG movies wanted more general viewers, and it shows.
* which was low-hanging fruit for the parody done by "Family Guy"
** granted, it's just him hearing voices to concentrate, and not to whip out a leg of gasoline or anything. Indeed, focusing on the target generator could easily cause a misfire, depending on an individual pilot's ability to react to when the computer goes *beep*. Given that Luke was shooting rats instead of tin cans from amazing distances away, there's an easy parallel here on how he could drop a couple bombs with a perfect curve to go into the exhaust vent as well... there's no need for magical force, just a sufficient attention span and passing basic calculus just like how little seventh-grader Harry there had in 'When the Bough Breaks", an imperfect but rather underrated episode of early-TNG...
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