Fiancee a TOS fan but doesn't like TNG, DS9, Voyager, or Enterprise
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yeah i noticed that too. it never was an issue. honestly, i think it's cool she's into TOS... and kinda cool in a way that that's the only series she likes.
i think i'm going to go with DS9. i haven't seen most of the series, but it did have strong character arcs and back story. since she also likes soaps, it might be our best bet.
yeah i noticed that too. it never was an issue. honestly, i think it's cool she's into TOS... and kinda cool in a way that that's the only series she likes.
i think i'm going to go with DS9. i haven't seen most of the series, but it did have strong character arcs and back story. since she also likes soaps, it might be our best bet.
Re: Fiancee a TOS fan but doesn't like TNG, DS9, Voyager, or Enterpris
Ok when I can afford the 300 bucks I'm going to go with DS9 based on your recommendation, and others at Amazon.com. What about Voyager...I thought that Janeway (sp) chick was a lot like Kirk, well that's what they're saying on the Amazon reviews anyway. I guess I should just go into the voyeger board but it's like another world over there....
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In your case and the OP's, I'd personally recommend going with DS9. Let me remark that DS9 is easily my favorite incarnation, so I'm all biased towards it. It is followed by TOS, with the other shows far behind.
With that out of the way, there's a reason I'd recommend DS9 to somebody who loves TOS. I honestly feel it's next gen Trek series that is most closely related to TOS. It may not seem that way at first glance, but what I'm getting at is that I've always felt it was produced very much in the same 'spirit' as TOS.
What I mean is that it had a similar way of dealing with its characters, letting them play off each other, care about each other but also fiercely disagree in some situations. It also had a similar approach IMHO in that it would take 'good' people and confront them with really tough choices that would not always allow an easy answer, that would test what it meant to be 'good'.
For what it's worth, I'd also add that the writers and producers on DS9 were self-proclaimed TOS fans. And I think this shines through in the "Trials- and Tribble-Ations" episode which really is a tribute to Star Trek and TOS in particular. I also think it shows how well the DS9 characters fit in with the world of TOS, as I was trying to indicate further up.
I suppose one question would be: What is the best starting point? I'd always recommend watching from the start, but DS9's first season is arguably its weakest even though it has some standouts, "Emissary" and "Duet" in particular.
It might be worth watching "Emissary" to get an idea where the characters are coming from and then move on to standout episodes such as "The Visitor", "Call to Arms" or "In the Pale Moonlight".
Just my two cents.
Ok when I can afford the 300 bucks I'm going to go with DS9 based on your recommendation, and others at Amazon.com. What about Voyager...I thought that Janeway (sp) chick was a lot like Kirk, well that's what they're saying on the Amazon reviews anyway. I guess I should just go into the voyeger board but it's like another world over there....
Re: Fiancee a TOS fan but doesn't like TNG, DS9, Voyager, or Enterpris
Boy, does that bring back memories of TBBS flamewars past.
A Voyager fan who thinks DS9 is boring.I know how difficult this kind of situation can be, I'm a Niner who once went out with a Voyager fan who thought that DS9 was boring. I should have known that it was not meant to be.
Boy, does that bring back memories of TBBS flamewars past.
Re: Fiancee a TOS fan but doesn't like TNG, DS9, Voyager, or Enterpris
You could also try renting one of the seasons first. I think it's always a good way to see if the show is for you.
In any case, please don't blame for spending 300 bucks in case you don't like it.
In my own opinion, I don't think she's very much like Kirk at all. She was far more 'by the book' and seemed to take a lot less fun out of life than Kirk did.
Granted, she is from a time where Starfleet as a whole is different, plus her situation is very different.
What bothered me, personally, the most about Janeway was that I felt her character could be all over the place at times. At her best, she was an excellent leader - strong but still understanding and completely dedicated to her crew. She was also clearly a woman, not needing to act all like a man to taken seriously.
At her worst, she could arrogant and aggressive. But not in such a way that you - or I, for that matter - felt as though it derived naturally from part of her character but was, in fact, forced upon her by the plot.
Again, that's just my two cents.
You could also try renting one of the seasons first. I think it's always a good way to see if the show is for you.
In any case, please don't blame for spending 300 bucks in case you don't like it
.In my own opinion, I don't think she's very much like Kirk at all. She was far more 'by the book' and seemed to take a lot less fun out of life than Kirk did.
Granted, she is from a time where Starfleet as a whole is different, plus her situation is very different.
What bothered me, personally, the most about Janeway was that I felt her character could be all over the place at times. At her best, she was an excellent leader - strong but still understanding and completely dedicated to her crew. She was also clearly a woman, not needing to act all like a man to taken seriously.
At her worst, she could arrogant and aggressive. But not in such a way that you - or I, for that matter - felt as though it derived naturally from part of her character but was, in fact, forced upon her by the plot.
Again, that's just my two cents.
Re: Fiancee a TOS fan but doesn't like TNG, DS9, Voyager, or Enterpris
The Voyager board is quite fun because of the heated discussions you can get into there. DS9 is easily my favourite, but things can get a little sycophantic on that forum.
I'm currently rewatching Voyager for a thread in the Voyager forum and I've just finished the first season, and while Janeway is a better captain that I remembered her, she is no Kirk. Sisko is like Kirk in acting style though, Avery Brooks and William Shatner sure knew how to ham things up in a good way.
The Voyager board is quite fun because of the heated discussions you can get into there. DS9 is easily my favourite, but things can get a little sycophantic on that forum.
Re: Fiancee a TOS fan but doesn't like TNG, DS9, Voyager, or Enterpris
Both of them ham's?? Well than that seals the deal...
I can't believe that you like DS9 better than TOS!! It may be good but it can't POSSIBLY be better!!! But I see it is true after reading a few other of your posts around the board....to each his own I suppose....
I'm currently rewatching Voyager for a thread in the Voyager forum and I've just finished the first season, and while Janeway is a better captain that I remembered her, she is no Kirk. Sisko is like Kirk in acting style though, Avery Brooks and William Shatner sure knew how to ham things up in a good way.
The Voyager board is quite fun because of the heated discussions you can get into there. DS9 is easily my favourite, but things can get a little sycophantic on that forum.
Both of them ham's?? Well than that seals the deal...
I can't believe that you like DS9 better than TOS!! It may be good but it can't POSSIBLY be better!!! But I see it is true after reading a few other of your posts around the board....to each his own I suppose....
Re: Fiancee a TOS fan but doesn't like TNG, DS9, Voyager, or Enterpris
^ Well I'm a bit too young to have caught TOS and I grew up with TNG and DS9. I only went back to TOS last year and found it very enjoyable, but it can't beat the shows which made me into a Trekkie.
^ Well I'm a bit too young to have caught TOS and I grew up with TNG and DS9. I only went back to TOS last year and found it very enjoyable, but it can't beat the shows which made me into a Trekkie.
Re: Fiancee a TOS fan but doesn't like TNG, DS9, Voyager, or Enterpris
In my mind, it depends on what aspect of TOS appeals to her the most. Each of the spinoffs has at least one element of TOS in it (although some of them are admittedly quite different to TOS)
TNG: Has the 'morality' factor of TOS, you know, the kind of preachy 'we are more evolved than you' type stories
DS9: Has the character focus of TOS (Quark and Odo's banter is kinda similar to that of McCoy and Spock. They act like they can't stand each other, but there is a friendship there)
VOY: Has the old-school exploring strange new worlds, high concept stories of the original
ENT: Has T&A, scoring with alien babes, shoot outs, that kind of thing.
In my mind, it depends on what aspect of TOS appeals to her the most. Each of the spinoffs has at least one element of TOS in it (although some of them are admittedly quite different to TOS)
TNG: Has the 'morality' factor of TOS, you know, the kind of preachy 'we are more evolved than you' type stories
DS9: Has the character focus of TOS (Quark and Odo's banter is kinda similar to that of McCoy and Spock. They act like they can't stand each other, but there is a friendship there)
VOY: Has the old-school exploring strange new worlds, high concept stories of the original
ENT: Has T&A, scoring with alien babes, shoot outs, that kind of thing.
Re: Fiancee a TOS fan but doesn't like TNG, DS9, Voyager, or Enterpris
If she likes Spock (who doesn't?) introduce her to the Unification themed epis of TNG. If she likes Kirk's easy rapport with McCoy and Spock she may not care for Picard and I do agree that Ben Sisko is a better Captain match for Kirk in his obvious regard for his officers and personnel. Janeway is a whole other flavor who suffered from uneven writing. If she likes Vulcan's she will lov Vot's Tuvok who many feel is the quintessential Trek Vulcan - Tim Russ did a ripsnort job with that role! Yeah, I love them all and canot imagine a Trekverse without any of them!
If she likes Spock (who doesn't?) introduce her to the Unification themed epis of TNG. If she likes Kirk's easy rapport with McCoy and Spock she may not care for Picard and I do agree that Ben Sisko is a better Captain match for Kirk in his obvious regard for his officers and personnel. Janeway is a whole other flavor who suffered from uneven writing. If she likes Vulcan's she will lov Vot's Tuvok who many feel is the quintessential Trek Vulcan - Tim Russ did a ripsnort job with that role! Yeah, I love them all and canot imagine a Trekverse without any of them!
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