Female Condom Unveiled For World Cup

[iguana_tonante]

So... I guess I am right. I shall shake my shapely Italian ass to celebrate the victory.

Oh wait. In your opinion that means that if I will be harassed, I will be to blame because it was be partially my fault. Sad face.

 

[Amaris]

So... I guess I am right. I shall shake my shapely Italian ass to celebrate the victory.

[begrudges iguana_tonante]

 

[Luther Sloan]

But you are doing a preacher routine. And for someone who has claimed they're going to leave at least three times now, you sure do a lot of sticking around.

Sidious:

But I was just talking from the heart and standing up for God. I did not quote scripture verse in this thread or get preachy like you are him are describing. And I did add in my other post (as a side note) that there was a possibility that I could hang around in this thread (to reply back to folks to clarify my meaning). Besides, what does that have to with anything, if I change my mind on staying, anyways. The point is that people tell me I should leave if I don't like their use of words is simply unfriendly and unkind (when they don't need to be).

So... I guess I am right. I shall shake my shapely Italian ass to celebrate the victory.

Oh wait. In your opinion that means that if I will be harassed, I will be to blame because it was be partially my fault. Sad face.

Iguana:

Again. Your not helping the situation, my friend.
Please be kind. I did not insult you. I would appreciate it if you would have the same regard towards me (no matter what you may believe or how you may feel in regards to certain topics or issues).

 

[Amaris]

But you are doing a preacher routine. And for someone who has claimed they're going to leave at least three times now, you sure do a lot of sticking around.

Sidious:

But I was just talking from the heart and standing up for God. I did not quote scripture verse in this thread or get preachy like you are him are describing. And I did add in my other post (as a side note) that there was a possibility that I could hang around in this thread (to reply back to folks to clarify my meaning). Besides, what does that have to with anything, if I change my mind on staying, anyways. The point is that people tell me I should leave if I don't like their use of words is simply unfriendly and unkind (when they don't need to be).

God doesn't need you to stand up for him. Not here, not in this thread. This thread is not a church, it's not a Sunday School. It's a thread about rape. If God wants to jump in and give His opinion, He's more than welcome to do so. Until then, I suggest you let Him make that choice and you simply speak for yourself. Why don't you knock the dust from your sandals and walk away? You're not going to advance anything for God here, and you're more than likely going to frustrate those who do believe but are discussing this topic as adults, because they know when it's appropriate to talk for Jesus and when it's appropriate to be a human being, listening to the issues at hand.

 

[Luther Sloan]

God doesn't need you to stand up for him. Not here, not in this thread. This thread is not a church, it's not a Sunday School. It's a thread about rape. If God wants to jump in and give His opinion, He's more than welcome to do so. Until then, I suggest you let Him make that choice and you simply speak for yourself. Why don't you knock the dust from your sandals and walk away? You're not going to advance anything for God here, and you're more than likely going to frustrate those who do believe but are discussing this topic as adults, because they know when it's appropriate to talk for Jesus and when it's appropriate to be a human being, listening to the issues at hand.

SOV:

What happens if I horribly insulted someone in this thread? What happens if I insulted someone you cared about? Would that be acceptable to you? No. All I am asking is for a little friendliness. But instead. I keep hearing... leave and take your God with you. I am not preaching here at all. That would involve some measure of scripture verse (for me to do so), my friend. And I haven't done that here.

 

[Miss Chicken]

Well, whether people believe or not: what if their view of Him isn't exactly what they think it is? What if I am right? How would that make God feel to know that He isn't held in high regard at all when it comes to such things?

If your view on him is right it wouldn't explain why an all-powerful being should get upset if people call him a few names or don't regard him highly. Only insecure people (or insecure Gods) really give a damn if they aren't worshipped by all.

Anyways, to answer your other post in regards to your horrible incident at the beach: I would have to say that you are NOT to blame in any way for what has happened to you. You were not in a shady part of town grinding on men or running through dark alley ways late at night drunk half naked. You were at the beach (with other people). It was not your fault at all. And in all cases of rape it is always the rapist who is the majority at fault, anyways.

But some people, including Colin's mother, saw my behaviour as inappropriate. Some people believed a woman wearing a bikini is flaunting herself. Some people believe being seen kissing someone at a beach is inappropriate. Some people believe that being at the beach with three men, none of whom she is related to (or in a relationship with) is inappropriate.

 

[Amaris]

SOV:

What happens if I horribly insulted someone in this thread? What happens if I insulted someone you cared about? Would that be acceptable to you? No. All I am asking is for a little friendliness. But instead. I keep hearing... leave and take your God with you. I am not preaching here at all. That would involve some measure of scripture verse (for me to do so), my friend.

You realize, of course, that all you are doing is drawing attention to yourself. There are plenty of Christians in this thread, yet they haven't spoken out against the language, so no, there's no "take your God with you". You have merely been offered the same choice everyone has, that being, if you don't like the language being used, you are free to leave at any time. No one is forcing you (something you seem to completely skip over in your responses), but you are being a disruption to the flow of conversation because you keep drawing the attention back to yourself.

At this point, you have been politely (and impolitely) asked to drop the issue of bad language since no one else is bothered by it. You haven't. You have been asked politely (and impolitely) to leave if you can't engage in the conversation because you find some or all of it objectionable. Any reasonable person would have left already if they felt they could not contribute to the conversation in some way, or felt that the content was not something to which they felt they should be exposed. You haven't. Therefore, I can only assume at this point that you are enjoying the attention it brings, even taking the time to get up on the pulpit and profess the Word of God, and so I will not give you any more of that attention in this thread.

 

[thestrangequark]

Anyways, to answer your other post in regards to your horrible incident at the beach: I would have to say that you are NOT to blame in any way for what has happened to you. You were not in a shady part of town grinding on men or running through dark alley ways late at night drunk half naked. You were at the beach (with other people). It was not your fault at all. And in all cases of rape it is always the rapist who is the majority at fault, anyways.

But some people, including Colin's mother, saw my behaviour as inappropriate. Some people believed a woman wearing a bikini is flaunting herself. Some people believe being seen kissing someone at a beach is inappropriate. Some people believe that being at the beach with three men, none of whom she is related to (or in a relationship with) is inappropriate.

A very good point, Miss Chicken. Exactly how short does my skirt have to be for me to start bearing some of the burden of guilt? Mid-thigh? Two inches above the knee? Exactly how much of my breasts have to be exposed for me to share some of the blame for my assault? 10%? 30%? Half the women in NYC were wearing strapless sundresses today, but in some cities exposing the upper arm is considered quite risque. In other places it is perfectly acceptable for a lady to walk around topless. We all have different opinions as to where the line between stylish and "slutty" is drawn, and all those opinions are completely arbitrary. That's why laying any blame on the victim is utterly illogical, as well as cruel.

 

[Luther Sloan]

If your view on him is right it wouldn't explain why an all-powerful being should get upset if people call him a few names or don't regard him highly. Only insecure people (or insecure Gods) really give a damn if they aren't worshipped by all.

Miss Chicken:

It goes way beyond that. He cares because He loves each and everyone and wants to have a relationship with them.

Some people believe that being at the beach with three men, none of whom she is related to (or in a relationship with) is inappropriate.

Being with those three men at the beach as friends is fine. However, having intimate relations with all three men is a bit salty in my book. But that is just my beliefs.

 

[Amaris]

Anyways, to answer your other post in regards to your horrible incident at the beach: I would have to say that you are NOT to blame in any way for what has happened to you. You were not in a shady part of town grinding on men or running through dark alley ways late at night drunk half naked. You were at the beach (with other people). It was not your fault at all. And in all cases of rape it is always the rapist who is the majority at fault, anyways.

But some people, including Colin's mother, saw my behaviour as inappropriate. Some people believed a woman wearing a bikini is flaunting herself. Some people believe being seen kissing someone at a beach is inappropriate. Some people believe that being at the beach with three men, none of whom she is related to (or in a relationship with) is inappropriate.

A very good point, Miss Chicken. Exactly how short does my skirt have to be for me to start bearing some of the burden of guilt? Mid-thigh? Two inches above the knee? Exactly how much of my breasts have to be exposed for me to share some of the blame for my assault? 10%? 30%? Half the women in NYC were wearing strapless sundresses today, but in some cities exposing the upper arm is considered quite risque. In other places it is perfectly acceptable for a lady to walk around topless. We all have different opinions as to where the line between stylish and "slutty" is drawn, and all those opinions are completely arbitrary. That's why laying any blame on the victim is utterly illogical, as well as cruel.

Agreed, it is very cruel. All it does is make the victim wonder just what she did to deserve being raped. Any person who would push that as an acceptable reaction lacks human decency and compassion, in my opinion.

 

[Teelie]

This isn't an discussion, it's people looking to twist words and make themselves out to be above human nature or pretend men won't be men. Damn, that's as sexist as anything else in this thread.

Men behave differently than women yet women are the ones expecting us to conform to their standards. There is no compromise, no inbetween. There are standards yet women expect men to follow two different ones. A woman can dress in scant attire but men aren't allowed to comment or look. That's a failure of logic. If you can't comprehend that then I'm sorry, you're just too blind to see how stupid that comes off.

It's quite obvious that no amount of common sense or the fact promoting yourself in a way that attracts that attention matters. If you get harassed for sexually promoting yourself, you have no right to complain.

You can't go into a situation and provoke something and NOT expect a response but the ignorance of some you to think otherwise is so staggering it's clear you'll never get it that when you act a certain way, you are treated a certain way. Your failure to realize this is your own damned fault.

I'm not responding to any more twisting of my words, of taking things out of context, of not reading an entire sentence, or understanding that you don't have some imagined right to not be leered at or have comments towards you if you're out in public wearing the equivalent of lingerie.

 

[Amaris]

This isn't an discussion, it's people looking to twist words and make themselves out to be above human nature or pretend men won't be men. Damn, that's as sexist as anything else in this thread.

Men behave differently than women yet women are the ones expecting us to conform to their standards. There is no compromise, no inbetween. There are standards yet women expect men to follow two different ones. A woman can dress in scant attire but men aren't allowed to comment or look. That's a failure of logic. If you can't comprehend that then I'm sorry, you're just too blind to see how stupid that comes off.

It's quite obvious that no amount of common sense or the fact promoting yourself in a way that attracts that attention matters. If you get harassed for sexually promoting yourself, you have no right to complain.

You can't go into a situation and provoke something and NOT expect a response but the ignorance of some you to think otherwise is so staggering it's clear you'll never get it that when you act a certain way, you are treated a certain way. Your failure to realize this is your own damned fault.

I'm not responding to any more twisting of my words, of taking things out of context, of not reading an entire sentence, or understanding that you don't have some imagined right to not be leered at or have comments towards you if you're out in public wearing the equivalent of lingerie.

No one is twisting your words. People here have already stated it's good to be careful when considering your surrounding environment. However, we're not talking about side glances, light comments or merely making a pass at someone, we're talking about sexual harassment. That is unwarranted, regardless of what one wears.

 

[Teelie]

That's what I said as well, althought you might not be, others clearly are twisting my words. Sexual harassment itself is a vague term and broad definition but I agree when someone says stop, you stop. That doesn't mean you won't get people staring or making comments or that things won't be said you're uncomfortable with.

Saying "You look hot," to one person is fine yet another would take that as sexual harassment. The ambiguity of what one person to another thinks makes it all that much more difficult to define and despite my repeated attempts to clarify that exposing most of your body is most definitely going to draw extra attention, it goes ignored in favor of smarmy remarks and out of context responses to what scantly clad means.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

This isn't an discussion, it's people looking to twist words and make themselves out to be above human nature or pretend men won't be men. Damn, that's as sexist as anything else in this thread.

Your post being a case in point, huh?

Men behave differently than women yet women are the ones expecting us to conform to their standards. There is no compromise, no inbetween. There are standards yet women expect men to follow two different ones. A woman can dress in scant attire but men aren't allowed to comment or look. That's a failure of logic. If you can't comprehend that then I'm sorry, you're just too blind to see how stupid that comes off.

Actually, it seems reasonable that men and women should be respectful toward each other regardless of how they dress. Men can certainly look if a woman dresses scantily--no one here has claimed men aren't allowed to look for Christ's sake. Filthy comments and unwanted touching, though? Yeah, that's a no-go. And if the tables were turned, it would be just as wrong.

It's quite obvious that no amount of common sense or the fact promoting yourself in a way that attracts that attention matters. If you get harassed for sexually promoting yourself, you have no right to complain.

Utter nonsense. Women--and men, for that matter--are free to dress however they want. So what if a woman wears a short skirt, or something with a plunging neckline, or whatever the hell else she wants to? That makes it okay to be degrading, insulting, and lecherous toward her? RJDiogenes is right, we really are still living in the 1950's.

You can't go into a situation and provoke something and NOT expect a response but the ignorance of some you to think otherwise is so staggering it's clear you'll never get it that when you act a certain way, you are treated a certain way. Your failure to realize this is your own damned fault.

Yes, by all means, let's set some standards for how women can dress. Since men can't possibly control themselves, we'll have to take up Muslim standards for female dress--cover virtually every square inch of skin so those hapless men aren't tempted. After all, they can't fight their nature. It's simply too dangerous to let women express themselves.

I'm not responding to any more twisting of my words, of taking things out of context, of not reading an entire sentence, or understanding that you don't have some imagined right to not be leered at or have comments towards you if you're out in public wearing the equivalent of lingerie.

Yeah, whatever. "Walk that sweet pussy over here," as in tsq's example, is utterly inappropriate in any context. I don't care how she was dressed--nothing warrants that sort of behavior, and anyone who engages in it should be fucking ashamed and go hide back in whatever hole they crawled out of.

All I see are continued attempts to justify and shift blame for offensive behavior.

 

[iguana_tonante]

Iguana:

Again. Your not helping the situation, my friend.
Please be kind. I did not insult you. I would appreciate it if you would have the same regard towards me (no matter what you may believe or how you may feel in regards to certain topics or issues).

Mine is sarcasm. Yours is condescension. Both can be insulting. Both can be disrespectful. So drop the hypocrisy.

What happens if I horribly insulted someone in this thread? What happens if I insulted someone you cared about? Would that be acceptable to you? No.

You do that. All the time. You insult women who doesn't conform to your morals, and you insult men implying that they can't restrain themselves.

All I am asking is for a little friendliness. But instead. I keep hearing... leave and take your God with you.

So I guess you have also hearing problems, since nobody is telling you that, but "If this topic or the words used upset you, nobody is forcing you to hear it".

This isn't an discussion, it's people looking to twist words and make themselves out to be above human nature or pretend men won't be men. Damn, that's as sexist as anything else in this thread.

So, claiming that men can keep it in their pants and not harass women is somehow sexist against men. Excuse me, what?

Men behave differently than women yet women are the ones expecting us to conform to their standards. There is no compromise, no inbetween. There are standards yet women expect men to follow two different ones.

A woman can dress in scant attire but men aren't allowed to comment or look.

I'm sure you can see the difference between looking and harassing. Well, I hope you do.

It's quite obvious that no amount of common sense or the fact promoting yourself in a way that attracts that attention matters. If you get harassed for sexually promoting yourself, you have no right to complain.

Criminal laws and ethics disagree with you. Luckily.

You can't go into a situation and provoke something and NOT expect a response but the ignorance of some you to think otherwise is so staggering it's clear you'll never get it that when you act a certain way, you are treated a certain way. Your failure to realize this is your own damned fault.

I'm biting my lips very hard not to imply something very unbecoming about you after reading that sentiment.

I'm not responding to any more twisting of my words, of taking things out of context, of not reading an entire sentence, or understanding that you don't have some imagined right to not be leered at or have comments towards you if you're out in public wearing the equivalent of lingerie.

Have a good day?

 

[thestrangequark]

It's quite obvious that no amount of common sense or the fact promoting yourself in a way that attracts that attention matters. If you get harassed for sexually promoting yourself, you have no right to complain.

You can't go into a situation and provoke something and NOT expect a response but the ignorance of some you to think otherwise is so staggering it's clear you'll never get it that when you act a certain way, you are treated a certain way. Your failure to realize this is your own damned fault.

You missed the distinction. I said I do indeed expect harassment (no matter how I dress, again). That doesn't mean the harassment is right. You are the one twisting words.

That's what I said as well, althought you might not be, others clearly are twisting my words. Sexual harassment itself is a vague term and broad definition but I agree when someone says stop, you stop. That doesn't mean you won't get people staring or making comments or that things won't be said you're uncomfortable with.

Saying "You look hot," to one person is fine yet another would take that as sexual harassment. The ambiguity of what one person to another thinks makes it all that much more difficult to define and despite my repeated attempts to clarify that exposing most of your body is most definitely going to draw extra attention, it goes ignored in favor of smarmy remarks and out of context responses to what scantly clad means.

No one's twisting your words. In fact, I went to great care to clarify my position because I assumed there may be a level of miscommunication.

However, I now see that it is not a miscommunication, but a complete difference of opinion. Sorry, but I just don't abide by the "boys will be boys" excuse. It is just offensive to men as it is to women. The majority of men are not crude and boorish, and do not harass me each day. I experience maybe an average of 10 incidents of harassment daily whereas I interact with dozens of men daily and pass by hundreds of thousands on the streets. If all those men are capable of keeping their inappropriate thoughts to themselves (not to mention their hands), then so can the men who catcall.
These are not "women's standards," these are human standards.

Food for thought.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

What happens if I horribly insulted someone in this thread? What happens if I insulted someone you cared about? Would that be acceptable to you? No. All I am asking is for a little friendliness. But instead. I keep hearing... leave and take your God with you. I am not preaching here at all. That would involve some measure of scripture verse (for me to do so), my friend. And I haven't done that here.

No one has told you to leave before, but now I am if you continue with these tangents. You've made the point about not liking the language and description used in TSQ's post and about your beliefs ad nauseam. Move on or move to a different thread. Stop derailing this one with unrelated comments. You aren't a mod and you don't get to dictate policy or what is allowed to be said here. Stop trying.

As disgusting as I find it, your comments on what women wear and how that attracts rapists are topical. You can continue discussing things along that path if you want, but it doesn't do you any favors in making an impression on most other posters here.

 

[sidious618]

This isn't an discussion, it's people looking to twist words and make themselves out to be above human nature or pretend men won't be men. Damn, that's as sexist as anything else in this thread.

That's a bunch of bull. This whole idea of men behaving as men and women behaving as women is what kept women from being allowed to work and from being given the same pay. Believe it or not, if we took away the social constructs we are exposed to from birth men and women wouldn't act that differently.

It's quite obvious that no amount of common sense or the fact promoting yourself in a way that attracts that attention matters. If you get harassed for sexually promoting yourself, you have no right to complain.

No one deserves to be sexually harassed and the fact that you are defending that... worries me.

I'm not responding to any more twisting of my words, of taking things out of context, of not reading an entire sentence, or understanding that you don't have some imagined right to not be leered at or have comments towards you if you're out in public wearing the equivalent of lingerie.

Why can't they? What's so scary about the human body?

 

[Angela 0077]

But you are doing a preacher routine. And for someone who has claimed they're going to leave at least three times now, you sure do a lot of sticking around.

Sidious:

But I was just talking from the heart and standing up for God. I did not quote scripture verse in this thread or get preachy like you are him are describing. And I did add in my other post (as a side note) that there was a possibility that I could hang around in this thread (to reply back to folks to clarify my meaning). Besides, what does that have to with anything, if I change my mind on staying, anyways. The point is that people tell me I should leave if I don't like their use of words is simply unfriendly and unkind (when they don't need to be).

So... I guess I am right. I shall shake my shapely Italian ass to celebrate the victory.

Oh wait. In your opinion that means that if I will be harassed, I will be to blame because it was be partially my fault. Sad face.

Iguana:

Again. Your not helping the situation, my friend.
Please be kind. I did not insult you. I would appreciate it if you would have the same regard towards me (no matter what you may believe or how you may feel in regards to certain topics or issues).

mr Sloan l would not like you to leave and it is nice to have everyones veiws on things to do with the thread.

I would like your opinion on what l have been saying about certain thing do you agree or disgree.

What l am meaning is do you agree that some women go to far and then get them selves into a postion where they are inticing a guy.
Also do you think women dress to the point that they are only going to be looked at only for sex.
I am and stating again that not all women are like this.
I have been talking to quite a few female freinds also my mum and daughter on this sitation

 

[Angela 0077]

What happens if I horribly insulted someone in this thread? What happens if I insulted someone you cared about? Would that be acceptable to you? No. All I am asking is for a little friendliness. But instead. I keep hearing... leave and take your God with you. I am not preaching here at all. That would involve some measure of scripture verse (for me to do so), my friend. And I haven't done that here.

No one has told you to leave before, but now I am if you continue with these tangents. You've made the point about not liking the language and description used in TSQ's post and about your beliefs ad nauseam. Move on or move to a different thread. Stop derailing this one with unrelated comments. You aren't a mod and you don't get to dictate policy or what is allowed to be said here. Stop trying.

As disgusting as I find it, your comments on what women wear and how that attracts rapists are topical. You can continue discussing things along that path if you want, but it doesn't do you any favors in making an impression on most other posters here.

i have had words with my mum on this also my daughter they both agree that the way a woman dresses can attract a person who is looking for sex.
Evebn the way a person dances can atract the same thing
I am not saying all blokes would do this but there are some weidos out there.
Some even spike your drink so you are in a blind state to be taken advanage of.