Fearful Symmetry, Celestial Union and bajoran hegemony

Discussion in 'Trek Literature' started by Voth commando1, Sep 10, 2019.

  1. Voth commando1

    Voth commando1 Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2016
    Location:
    In a sub-sub atomic universe with kittens
    So, re-reading the prologue of Fearful Symmetry, I saw another vista in the text of an alternate universe worth speculating on, the celestial union.

    I wonder, how it might have come to be, a spiritually minded, Bajoran centered Alpha Quadrant. An interesting contrast to the secular earth dominated federation.

    Anyway, thoughts on how this Celestial Union came to be? Bajoran conquest, or perhaps proselytization of the Alpha Quadrant?

    I find the concept really riveting and fascinating.

    Disclaimer: This is not a story idea, and any speculation should not be taken as ideas given.

    Anyway, thoughts, speculation, suggestions on how this Celestial Union came to be, and what it might be like as a polity?
     
    Last edited: Sep 10, 2019
  2. Daddy Todd

    Daddy Todd Fleet Captain Premium Member

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2004
    The Bajoran religious leaders tended to be vile political manipulators, who used religion to amass power, at least in DS9. So, basically, the Celestial Union sounds like Gilead.

    Pretty much exactly like religious leaders in real life.
     
  3. Voth commando1

    Voth commando1 Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2016
    Location:
    In a sub-sub atomic universe with kittens
    Hmm, I’m not so sure, given that Sisko was apparently a member of it and it stretched to cardassia and earth.

    That tells me, that it must have been expanded through more benevolent means.
     
  4. DGCatAniSiri

    DGCatAniSiri Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2008
    That depends on when the Bajoran Hegemony absorbed Earth - think of the difference of Major and Intendant Kira. Major Kira grew up under the Cardassian Occupation. Intendant Kira grew up as a member of a major player of the Alliance. If Hegemony!Sisko was born and grew up a member of a client race of the Bajoran Hegemony, in a society where (for example), the worship of the Prophets has been spread to those client races, this Sisko would potentially be as fervent a believer as any extremist who uses religion to justify their actions.
     
  5. Voth commando1

    Voth commando1 Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2016
    Location:
    In a sub-sub atomic universe with kittens
    Maybe so, its definitely interesting and could be taken in many ways.
     
  6. JD

    JD Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2004
    Location:
    Arizona, USA
    During DS9 we saw bits and pieces of Bajoran history that showed that they were way more advanced a lot earlier than most of the other races, so maybe something happened that sped up that advancement even more, and they were able to become a more dominant player in galactic politics.
     
    Tim Thomason likes this.
  7. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2001
    "Advancement" isn't a straight line, and different cultures can advance in different directions. Bajorans had a high civilization tens of millennia before Earth, but chose to direct their efforts toward less aggressive, less physical goals than colonizing the galaxy. That's not "less advanced," just differently advanced.

    Similarly, according to behind-the-scenes material, the Deltans of TMP had an advanced spacefaring civilization several thousand years ago but chose to give it up to reorient themselves toward more spiritual exploration. They saw the need to expand into space as a phase that an immature civilization went through before "advancing" far enough to give it up in favor of deeper, more meaningful pursuits.
     
    Arpy likes this.
  8. Voth commando1

    Voth commando1 Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2016
    Location:
    In a sub-sub atomic universe with kittens
    I imagine the religion of the prophets was widespread and became adopted by the celestial union’s members(just speculation not story ideas here)
     
  9. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2001
    Just FYI, folks, if you offer a speculation that could potentially inspire a writer to have story idea, then it crosses the line into "story idea" territory, and just saying "I don't intend this to be a story idea" doesn't make one bit of difference.
     
    Arpy and SolarisOne like this.