Fearful symmetry Borg Sisko how?
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Mind control.
Or that Federation is actually that Borg cube from Before Dishonor and they literally absorbed them.
Or the Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians, Thenkethi and Breen are really peaceful species in that alternate reality.
They promised them unlimited access to Risa and Vegas
So many hurricanes...
Yeah, maybe the anti-Federation politicians of that reality were all struck down by disease.
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That would be like an alpha quadrant spanning federation I don't think the dominion could defeat that.
So in The Omega Directive, Seven of Nine says the following (emphasis mine):
Trek fans tend to focus tightly on the "technological and biological distinctiveness" part of Borg assimilation, while forgetting the "Your culture will adapt to service us" part.
The Borg may not value religion in the same way other species do, but here above is canonical evidence that they do consider the myths and legends underpinning belief systems, and even cross-reference them looking for clues regarding ancient contact in order to gain access to power in order to further their own spiritualistic quest to achieve perfection.
With that in mind, here is what I was able to glean and extrapolate from Olivia Woods' Fearful Symmetry regarding the Borg Sisko. I'll start with some facts established in canon and in the novel itself, and then move into a spoiler tag just out of caution that this might be interpreted as a story idea.
Facts established:
- Sisko only exists because a Prophet violated Sarah and manipulated Joseph. Established in canon, and the book reveals this is true of any timeline involving Sisko (but also that alt-timelines can interfere with this, hence MU Iliana becoming the replacement Emissary).
- BorgSisko is from a universe (call it BorgU) where the Borg control the galaxy including the Bajor sector.
- BorgSisko does identify himself as Borg and is portrayed as having a connection to the collective -- He is not portrayed in the book as "severed," like Seven of Nine.
- BorgSisko (as of the beginning of the narrative in FS) is aware of the Prophets and the wormhole, therefore the Borg are as well.
- Having the Bajorans, having Sisko, and having access to the wormhole, the Borg as a whole do have and understand the concept of the Emissary, the history of the Prophets intervention with the Bajoran people, and at least part of the "big picture" regarding the Prophet's nonlinear experience of time.
- The Borg, generally speaking, are consistently depicted as being interested in alternate dimensions, in time travel, and in assimilating diverse beings even when they are considerably different from the standard humanoids we are used to (think 8472).
Fair assumptions directly implied:
- I don't remember clearly enough but I think it was heavily implied in the book that BorgSisko discovered the wormhole and met the Prophets as a drone, rather than pre-assimilation.
- Regardless of the circumstances of BorgSisko's assimilation, we need not belabour the logistics of "how" the sequence of events and random circumstances of this alternate life would lead him to still finding the wormhole, because based on what Season 7 and book tells us, we can assert that the nonlinear (and for the purposes of this outcome, omniscient) Prophets "ensured" that the correct "randomness" occurred between Sisko's creation and BorgSisko fulfilling his role. They, knowing all possible futures, simply created him in each timeline in such a specific way that his existence does lead to that event (so "unlikeliness" is artificially removed from the equation).
But, you wanted specifics. So I've put the following together for you...
The rest of the explanation ventures into personal conjecture which could be construed as a story idea, so click spoiler below.
I hope this helps you.
JANEWAY: I'm curious. When did the Borg discover Omega?
SEVEN: Two hundred twenty nine years ago.
JANEWAY: Assimilation?
SEVEN: Yes, of thirteen different species.
JANEWAY: Thirteen?
SEVEN: It began with Species two six two. They were primitive, but their oral history referred to a powerful substance which could burn the sky. The Borg were intrigued, which led them to Species two six three. They too were primitive, and believed it was a drop of blood from their Creator.
JANEWAY: Fascinating.
SEVEN: Yes, but irrelevant. We followed this trail of myth for many years until finally assimilating a species with useful scientific data. We then created the molecule ourselves.
SEVEN: Two hundred twenty nine years ago.
JANEWAY: Assimilation?
SEVEN: Yes, of thirteen different species.
JANEWAY: Thirteen?
SEVEN: It began with Species two six two. They were primitive, but their oral history referred to a powerful substance which could burn the sky. The Borg were intrigued, which led them to Species two six three. They too were primitive, and believed it was a drop of blood from their Creator.
JANEWAY: Fascinating.
SEVEN: Yes, but irrelevant. We followed this trail of myth for many years until finally assimilating a species with useful scientific data. We then created the molecule ourselves.
Trek fans tend to focus tightly on the "technological and biological distinctiveness" part of Borg assimilation, while forgetting the "Your culture will adapt to service us" part.
The Borg may not value religion in the same way other species do, but here above is canonical evidence that they do consider the myths and legends underpinning belief systems, and even cross-reference them looking for clues regarding ancient contact in order to gain access to power in order to further their own spiritualistic quest to achieve perfection.
With that in mind, here is what I was able to glean and extrapolate from Olivia Woods' Fearful Symmetry regarding the Borg Sisko. I'll start with some facts established in canon and in the novel itself, and then move into a spoiler tag just out of caution that this might be interpreted as a story idea.
Facts established:
- Sisko only exists because a Prophet violated Sarah and manipulated Joseph. Established in canon, and the book reveals this is true of any timeline involving Sisko (but also that alt-timelines can interfere with this, hence MU Iliana becoming the replacement Emissary).
- BorgSisko is from a universe (call it BorgU) where the Borg control the galaxy including the Bajor sector.
- BorgSisko does identify himself as Borg and is portrayed as having a connection to the collective -- He is not portrayed in the book as "severed," like Seven of Nine.
- BorgSisko (as of the beginning of the narrative in FS) is aware of the Prophets and the wormhole, therefore the Borg are as well.
- Having the Bajorans, having Sisko, and having access to the wormhole, the Borg as a whole do have and understand the concept of the Emissary, the history of the Prophets intervention with the Bajoran people, and at least part of the "big picture" regarding the Prophet's nonlinear experience of time.
- The Borg, generally speaking, are consistently depicted as being interested in alternate dimensions, in time travel, and in assimilating diverse beings even when they are considerably different from the standard humanoids we are used to (think 8472).
Fair assumptions directly implied:
- I don't remember clearly enough but I think it was heavily implied in the book that BorgSisko discovered the wormhole and met the Prophets as a drone, rather than pre-assimilation.
- Regardless of the circumstances of BorgSisko's assimilation, we need not belabour the logistics of "how" the sequence of events and random circumstances of this alternate life would lead him to still finding the wormhole, because based on what Season 7 and book tells us, we can assert that the nonlinear (and for the purposes of this outcome, omniscient) Prophets "ensured" that the correct "randomness" occurred between Sisko's creation and BorgSisko fulfilling his role. They, knowing all possible futures, simply created him in each timeline in such a specific way that his existence does lead to that event (so "unlikeliness" is artificially removed from the equation).
But, you wanted specifics. So I've put the following together for you...
The rest of the explanation ventures into personal conjecture which could be construed as a story idea, so click spoiler below.
Here's how BorgSisko exists:
Possibility 1) The AQ in BorgU were conquered after Sisko's birth and he was later assimilated, or,
Possibility 2) The Sarah-Prophet instead manipulated the Borg Collective directly so that Sisko ends up spawned in a maturation chamber.
In either case, having the Bajorans, and having access to at least some of the Orbs as clues, the Borg as a whole do have and understand the mythological concept of the Prophets and the Emissary, the history of the Prophets alleged intervention with the Bajoran people (the Orbs lend credence to this), and may suspect at least part of the "big picture" regarding the Prophets' nonlinear experience of time. This on its face is enough to motivate the Borg to seek access to the Prophets.
In Possibility 1, the Borg aren't necessarily aware (at least immediately) that the wormhole exists. However, a simple scan of the Bajor sector -- in Borg Space -- would easily detect those neutrino emissions... And they would also have assimilated the same historical data points that Jadzia queries so easily in the pilot episode. The Borg would find the wormhole, and BorgSisko is either on the cube that does (I feel this is likely), or even elsewhere in the Collective but the Prophets can and do reach out to him to communicate when part of the Collective enters the wormhole. (Side note, reading an author's interpretation of the Collective's experience of that planet Dax and Sisko landed on and perceived subjectively would have been very very intriguing.) Thus, the Emissary prophecy is fulfilled accidentally as a consequence of the Borg's quest for perfection.
Possibility 2 on the other hand invites the interpretation that the Borg somehow became aware of the Prophets' actions in manipulating them into spawning Sisko, and this would create additional motivation in the Borg to access the Prophets. This possibility is almost more interesting, because it involves the Borg directly as a player in the Emissary saga, and develops the BorgU Borg Collective more as a character because the stakes are higher with some personal "Borg ego" involvement. The rest of the details surrounding the Borg's ability to eventually discover the wormhole still apply.
In either case, with the Borg having the Bajorans, the Orbs, having Sisko, and having access to the wormhole... The Collective may not treat the whole thing with the same reverence that the Prime Bajorans do, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't actively seek to research and explore the Prophets (most likely with the end goal of assimilating them), thus fulfilling the prophecy once contact is made. And BorgSisko is involved with the Borg's discovery of the wormhole, "because Prophets" (ta-da). And the icing on the cake is that the Borg would naturally choose Sisko as their "representative" to the Prophets anyway, as they did with Locutus to the Fed and Seven to Voyager, because Sisko seems to be the specific drone to whom the Prophets like to personally appeal any way. So he'd be like a double-agent, "double emissary."
Possibility 1) The AQ in BorgU were conquered after Sisko's birth and he was later assimilated, or,
Possibility 2) The Sarah-Prophet instead manipulated the Borg Collective directly so that Sisko ends up spawned in a maturation chamber.
In either case, having the Bajorans, and having access to at least some of the Orbs as clues, the Borg as a whole do have and understand the mythological concept of the Prophets and the Emissary, the history of the Prophets alleged intervention with the Bajoran people (the Orbs lend credence to this), and may suspect at least part of the "big picture" regarding the Prophets' nonlinear experience of time. This on its face is enough to motivate the Borg to seek access to the Prophets.
In Possibility 1, the Borg aren't necessarily aware (at least immediately) that the wormhole exists. However, a simple scan of the Bajor sector -- in Borg Space -- would easily detect those neutrino emissions... And they would also have assimilated the same historical data points that Jadzia queries so easily in the pilot episode. The Borg would find the wormhole, and BorgSisko is either on the cube that does (I feel this is likely), or even elsewhere in the Collective but the Prophets can and do reach out to him to communicate when part of the Collective enters the wormhole. (Side note, reading an author's interpretation of the Collective's experience of that planet Dax and Sisko landed on and perceived subjectively would have been very very intriguing.) Thus, the Emissary prophecy is fulfilled accidentally as a consequence of the Borg's quest for perfection.
Possibility 2 on the other hand invites the interpretation that the Borg somehow became aware of the Prophets' actions in manipulating them into spawning Sisko, and this would create additional motivation in the Borg to access the Prophets. This possibility is almost more interesting, because it involves the Borg directly as a player in the Emissary saga, and develops the BorgU Borg Collective more as a character because the stakes are higher with some personal "Borg ego" involvement. The rest of the details surrounding the Borg's ability to eventually discover the wormhole still apply.
In either case, with the Borg having the Bajorans, the Orbs, having Sisko, and having access to the wormhole... The Collective may not treat the whole thing with the same reverence that the Prime Bajorans do, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't actively seek to research and explore the Prophets (most likely with the end goal of assimilating them), thus fulfilling the prophecy once contact is made. And BorgSisko is involved with the Borg's discovery of the wormhole, "because Prophets" (ta-da). And the icing on the cake is that the Borg would naturally choose Sisko as their "representative" to the Prophets anyway, as they did with Locutus to the Fed and Seven to Voyager, because Sisko seems to be the specific drone to whom the Prophets like to personally appeal any way. So he'd be like a double-agent, "double emissary."
I hope this helps you.
Bonus point:
If one makes the assumption that the kosst amojan statuette and the B'hala tablet eventually get broken or destroyed by the Borg renovating Bajor, it logically follows that in some form, the BorgU would involve both the reckoning and the final battle scenarios playing out at some point.
Edit: And then this happens...
If one makes the assumption that the kosst amojan statuette and the B'hala tablet eventually get broken or destroyed by the Borg renovating Bajor, it logically follows that in some form, the BorgU would involve both the reckoning and the final battle scenarios playing out at some point.
Edit: And then this happens...
The scenario plays out as follows.
- The Borg immediately order the self-destruct of the drone possessed in the amojan role (for dramatic effect, let's say it's Kira), but she is protected by red magic. You can imagine a really cool scene where other borg are attacking her but she's protected by a combination of green borg forcefields overlaid with a red-orange haze? Kira is sexy in any universe.
- Sensing the Prophets' relationship with Sisko, and thus their connection with the Collective, Kira initiates Christie Golden's "Royal Protocol" thus becoming a new Borg Queen and splitting off a faction of Borg under her control, centered on and around Bajor.
- The Borg would treat this like an internal war, but narratively and thematically, the Borg factions are basically Prophet- and Pah-Wraith-aligned.
- The main Collective outnumber the faction ruled by Kira, but her Borg behave and strategize in ways the Collective finds erratic; Chaotic. The Collective is subsequently unable to retake control of Bajor as a consequence of Kira's faction presenting a successful resistance through the use of unpredictable guerrilla-like tactics (because of course she would).
- After a massive, dramatic order-vs.-chaos-style space battle featuring hundreds of Borg vessels, Kira succeeds in getting to and entering the wormhole with the intent being to destroy the prophets.
- The Borg send Sisko and his cube in to stop her, because a) this is a good chance to destroy the "evil" queen once-and-for-all, and because b) they don't want Kira's faction to be able to steal or damage the wormhole (strategically useful and scientifically relevant) or the Prophets (whom the Borg are still trying to figure out how to assimilate as a pet project).
- The entrance to the wormhole collapses and the collective loses contact with all Borg inside. The Borg space battle ceases instantly, as the Pah-wraith faction Borg revert to the control of the Collective.
- Time passes, all Borg attempts to re-open the wormhole fail.
- One day, about eight months later, the wormhole rips open violently: A red haze is expelled, and it closes again, returning to normal.
- From then on, the wormhole continues to serve as a traversible portal connecting the AQ and GQ, but there is no additional contact between the Borg and the Prophets ever again despite the Borg's attempts to find them.
- Neither queen Kira nor drone Sisko are ever seen or heard from again.
- The Borg immediately order the self-destruct of the drone possessed in the amojan role (for dramatic effect, let's say it's Kira), but she is protected by red magic. You can imagine a really cool scene where other borg are attacking her but she's protected by a combination of green borg forcefields overlaid with a red-orange haze? Kira is sexy in any universe.
- Sensing the Prophets' relationship with Sisko, and thus their connection with the Collective, Kira initiates Christie Golden's "Royal Protocol" thus becoming a new Borg Queen and splitting off a faction of Borg under her control, centered on and around Bajor.
- The Borg would treat this like an internal war, but narratively and thematically, the Borg factions are basically Prophet- and Pah-Wraith-aligned.
- The main Collective outnumber the faction ruled by Kira, but her Borg behave and strategize in ways the Collective finds erratic; Chaotic. The Collective is subsequently unable to retake control of Bajor as a consequence of Kira's faction presenting a successful resistance through the use of unpredictable guerrilla-like tactics (because of course she would).
- After a massive, dramatic order-vs.-chaos-style space battle featuring hundreds of Borg vessels, Kira succeeds in getting to and entering the wormhole with the intent being to destroy the prophets.
- The Borg send Sisko and his cube in to stop her, because a) this is a good chance to destroy the "evil" queen once-and-for-all, and because b) they don't want Kira's faction to be able to steal or damage the wormhole (strategically useful and scientifically relevant) or the Prophets (whom the Borg are still trying to figure out how to assimilate as a pet project).
- The entrance to the wormhole collapses and the collective loses contact with all Borg inside. The Borg space battle ceases instantly, as the Pah-wraith faction Borg revert to the control of the Collective.
- Time passes, all Borg attempts to re-open the wormhole fail.
- One day, about eight months later, the wormhole rips open violently: A red haze is expelled, and it closes again, returning to normal.
- From then on, the wormhole continues to serve as a traversible portal connecting the AQ and GQ, but there is no additional contact between the Borg and the Prophets ever again despite the Borg's attempts to find them.
- Neither queen Kira nor drone Sisko are ever seen or heard from again.
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Interesting theory, I wonder would it be possible for the Borg to assimilate the prophets?
Wonder how the prophets would appear to the Borg, if they chose to. As what they looked like before becoming Borg?
I guess if they'd appear to the Borg hive mind they would probably look Caeliar related.
Depends on if the Prophets are taking forms or just being seen in them, no? @Christopher mentioned some time back that he took the Prophets' appearance as being more of a "person seeing what their brain is making them see because the true form can't be comprehended" thing (if I remember right), like the Q Continuum, or like Galactus in Marvel, and I kind of liked that interpretation.
And if that's the case, then the Collective might very well just see their true form, not a mental interpretation, since it actually can probably mentally handle it.
And if that's the case, then the Collective might very well just see their true form, not a mental interpretation, since it actually can probably mentally handle it.
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