Fear the Walking Dead Season 1 discussion and spoilers.

[TREK_GOD_1]

Jeez, I can understand not liking the show, but I'm not sure it's really worth getting all mean and nasty about.

...and others get nasty attacking individuals who see the obvious problems in the show, instead of saying much about the show. Speaks volumes.

I mean at the worst it's just a generic and unnecessary spinoff, yet from the reaction here you'd think it was another Phantom Menace or Fantastic Four reboot. Lol

Actually, the quality drop from TWD down to FTWD is as drastic as that of the original Star Wars films down to the prequels.

Oh brother.

Yep, your experience in the matter obviously far outweighs my own.

You mean my experience of having eyes?

Remind me... what does working on a cruise ship have to do with;

1) Knowing what things look like through telescopes when they're far away?
2) Televisual special effects?

Oh brother indeed.

Quoted for truth.

 

[sojourner]

Oh brother.

Yep, your experience in the matter obviously far outweighs my own.

You mean my experience of having eyes?

Remind me... what does working on a cruise ship have to do with;

1) Knowing what things look like through telescopes when they're far away?
2) Televisual special effects?

Oh brother indeed.

Oh, I dunno, the painfully obvious that during my time on board I actually did get to see alot of ships and boats through binoculars and telescopes in various conditions?

Some people just have nothing better to do than continue to complain about a show they admit that they don't like.

It's fair criticism. The ship looked like terrible CGI. Who other than you disagrees?

Nobody has a problem with "fair criticism". What's annoying is constant complaining about every aspect of the show right down to the basic premise. Why are you still watching? And why are you still hanging around in this thread if you hate the show so much?

 

[hux]

Oh, I dunno, the painfully obvious that during my time on board I actually did get to see alot of ships and boats through binoculars and telescopes in various conditions?

Are you under the impression that the rest of us haven't seen ships? I live on an island. I live next to the north sea. I've seen ships. I once even saw a couple of burly fisherman French kissing on a beach while I was stood on a ship.

You're not the boss of ships (unless you are in which case, I apologise).

Nobody has a problem with "fair criticism". What's annoying is constant complaining about every aspect of the show right down to the basic premise. Why are you still watching? And why are you still hanging around in this thread if you hate the show so much?

The thread is about discussing the show. Some aspects I liked. Most I did not (similar to a lot of others here).

If it's upsetting for you to read... why are you still here?

 

[sojourner]

I enjoy reading the more constructive conversations going on in the thread as opposed to the constant and repetitive posts of a couple of people here.

And no, I never said the "rest of you" had never seen ships. I merely provided a qualification of some experience that might apply to the situation. Please feel free to add your own experiences that might apply beyond " hey, yo, I gots 2 eyes".

You might have been taken more seriously to begin with.

So, for a change, what did you actually like?

 

[PKerr]

I have to say, throughout the season I liked the main cast less and less which is sad because of the main characters 3 I liked as actors outside of this show, those being Cliff Curtis, Kim Dickens and Ruben Blades, by the end of the show I hated all three characters plus Ofelia.

They were all in on the plan to release the 2k+ worth of Walkers out of the stadium and I think they all planned on leaving the gate to the community open, Ofelia basically said f em they didn't help us then Maddy gave Daniel a look as if to say, yeah just leave the gate open like we planned.
So your brilliant plan is to release 2k+ worth of Walkers out into the streets then lead them to a facility that you KNOW the military is in the midst of evacuating and contains your loved ones plus a bunch of innocent people without a sure plan on how you are going to escape said facility once it's over run?
You couldn't have just waited a few hours and just strolled on in?
Where those people really going to continue pacing the floors in flimsy little cages once the military bugged out?
You did that to save on old lady with a rotted foot, a junky that should have O.D. a long time ago and a woman who volunteered to go there to help the junky and old lady?
So your choice was to murder 100's of innocents just to get those people?

Yeah, I hate them all now.

BTW I'm already watching next season, it's called "The Last Ship".
pretty sure I'm done with this show.

 

[kitik]

So after watching Talking Dead, my impression is that they may get out to the yacht, but find it alreayd occupied by other folks. But it's still sitting there because Strand has the key, and whoever is on it has no clue how to hotwire a yacht.

As for whether it should've been a sailboat, my assumption is that this large yacht allows for multiple different rooms and levels for action and story to take place in. There are some huge sailboats, but really none with as many levels/floors as that yacht they showed at the end. I think from a behind-the-camera perspective, this type of boat simply allows for easier storytelling. Plus on a sailboat, everyone would actually have to know how to sail. (Plus, believe it or not folks, lots of sailboats actually have and use motors.)

As for whether they're going to sit there anchored or go somewhere, there was a pretty strong suggestion on Talking Dead that the question was "which direction will they go in?" North or south?

 

[Commander Richard]

The boat thing won't last. Either they'll run out of gas or Rick and the gang will find it, causing it to eventually burn and sink.

 

[Immolatus]

I have to say, throughout the season I liked the main cast less and less which is sad because of the main characters 3 I liked as actors outside of this show, those being Cliff Curtis, Kim Dickens and Ruben Blades, by the end of the show I hated all three characters plus Ofelia.

They were all in on the plan to release the 2k+ worth of Walkers out of the stadium and I think they all planned on leaving the gate to the community open, Ofelia basically said f em they didn't help us then Maddy gave Daniel a look as if to say, yeah just leave the gate open like we planned.
So your brilliant plan is to release 2k+ worth of Walkers out into the streets then lead them to a facility that you KNOW the military is in the midst of evacuating and contains your loved ones plus a bunch of innocent people without a sure plan on how you are going to escape said facility once it's over run?
You couldn't have just waited a few hours and just strolled on in?
Where those people really going to continue pacing the floors in flimsy little cages once the military bugged out?
You did that to save on old lady with a rotted foot, a junky that should have O.D. a long time ago and a woman who volunteered to go there to help the junky and old lady?
So your choice was to murder 100's of innocents just to get those people?

Yeah, I hate them all now.

BTW I'm already watching next season, it's called "The Last Ship".
pretty sure I'm done with this show.

[FONT=Times New Roman]Maybe they thought the Army could hold off the walkers. With that many walkers at the gate the army would need every swinging d!#k at the gates. It was meant as a distraction so they could sneak in. Getting out would be hard cause of the soldiers and the walkers but who knew the troops went to the imperial academy for training.[/FONT]

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I have to say, throughout the season I liked the main cast less and less which is sad because of the main characters 3 I liked as actors outside of this show, those being Cliff Curtis, Kim Dickens and Ruben Blades, by the end of the show I hated all three characters plus Ofelia.

The characters were poor creations from the start, and their numerous, contradictory, senseless acts are not succeeding like TWD's characters (who had the greater challenge of being constantly compared to the source material) after reaching that same point: 6 episodes.

They were all in on the plan to release the 2k+ worth of Walkers out of the stadium and I think they all planned on leaving the gate to the community open, Ofelia basically said f em they didn't help us then Maddy gave Daniel a look as if to say, yeah just leave the gate open like we planned.

The idiotic (from the writers side) and selfish (from the characters' side) plot was complete BS, and illustrates that Travis, Salazar and the rest are as self serving as the Governor, since they knew that releasing an army of zombies is a death sentence for the military.

So, for the one of the only FTWD defenders (as few as we see), exactly when are the real protagonists coming to this series, because the current main cast are immoral, and give the audience no reason to follow them, or support their paper thin cause.

So your brilliant plan is to release 2k+ worth of Walkers out into the streets then lead them to a facility that you KNOW the military is in the midst of evacuating and contains your loved ones plus a bunch of innocent people without a sure plan on how you are going to escape said facility once it's over run?

Yeah...that made all of the sense in the world...just as it made sense to sell Salazar as the resident "badass" who tortures, and somehow has a master plan to avoid being turned into a meal for the zombies he released. Would you feel secure around a person so self interested, and uncaring about deadly consequences? I'm guessing the answer is "no," so the instant tag-along from Travis and his group does not sell as being realistic or rational.

You couldn't have just waited a few hours and just strolled on in?
Where those people really going to continue pacing the floors in flimsy little cages once the military bugged out?
You did that to save on old lady with a rotted foot, a junky that should have O.D. a long time ago and a woman who volunteered to go there to help the junky and old lady?
So your choice was to murder 100's of innocents just to get those people?

Yeah, I hate them all now.

The addict is the "star of tomorrow," for that reason, FTWD will never cut ties with a walking soap opera / Dr. Phil session.

 

[Immolatus]

was that the last army outpost left in the country? the doctor said there was no where else to go but the choppers must have had a destination

 

[sojourner]

was that the last army outpost left in the country? the doctor said there was no where else to go but the choppers must have had a destination

They were evacuating to Edward's Airforce Base.

 

[RJDiogenes]

The boat looks fine to me.

Anyone else notice when they left the safe zone they left the gate wide open and did not shut it again. Gee, nice to think of your neighbors and let the zombies in for them. Zombies would have eventually got in but, hell don't make it easy for them.

I did notice that. They should have been more aware at that point. In fact, I was wondering why Madison was never worried about the hole she cut in the fence a few episodes ago.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

The boat looks fine to me.

Anyone else notice when they left the safe zone they left the gate wide open and did not shut it again. Gee, nice to think of your neighbors and let the zombies in for them. Zombies would have eventually got in but, hell don't make it easy for them.

I did notice that. They should have been more aware at that point. In fact, I was wondering why Madison was never worried about the hole she cut in the fence a few episodes ago.

Because this series has painted its "heroes" as self-serving assholes. What else would explain leaving a hole in a fence during a period where creatures spend 24/7 seeking ways to get to the living...who need to protected in a safe zone?

What else would explain giving neighbors the biggest F-U of all time by leaving the zone gates open, then releasing an army of always seeking, always hungry zombies?

 

[theenglish]

I can't remember. Was there a moment in the series when we learned that the ZA was happening outside of LA as well?

 

[Caroline Ewok]

newbie here just checkin out conversations ...if i break something...someone shout

 

[PKerr]

I have to say, throughout the season I liked the main cast less and less which is sad because of the main characters 3 I liked as actors outside of this show, those being Cliff Curtis, Kim Dickens and Ruben Blades, by the end of the show I hated all three characters plus Ofelia.

They were all in on the plan to release the 2k+ worth of Walkers out of the stadium and I think they all planned on leaving the gate to the community open, Ofelia basically said f em they didn't help us then Maddy gave Daniel a look as if to say, yeah just leave the gate open like we planned.
So your brilliant plan is to release 2k+ worth of Walkers out into the streets then lead them to a facility that you KNOW the military is in the midst of evacuating and contains your loved ones plus a bunch of innocent people without a sure plan on how you are going to escape said facility once it's over run?
You couldn't have just waited a few hours and just strolled on in?
Where those people really going to continue pacing the floors in flimsy little cages once the military bugged out?
You did that to save on old lady with a rotted foot, a junky that should have O.D. a long time ago and a woman who volunteered to go there to help the junky and old lady?
So your choice was to murder 100's of innocents just to get those people?

Yeah, I hate them all now.

BTW I'm already watching next season, it's called "The Last Ship".
pretty sure I'm done with this show.

[FONT=Times New Roman]Maybe they thought the Army could hold off the walkers. With that many walkers at the gate the army would need every swinging d!#k at the gates. It was meant as a distraction so they could sneak in. Getting out would be hard cause of the soldiers and the walkers but who knew the troops went to the imperial academy for training.[/FONT]

A day or two before that Travis listened on the radio and then witness Walkers overrun the military at full strength and kill a bunch of soldiers that were contained in a building surly he knew releasing 2k+ out in the streets for a handful to deal with while they were bugging out would over run them, sorry not buying that.
These people, ALL of these people knew what they were doing, it wasn't as if Daniel did it without there knowledge or consent.

In the basement when they were discussing Andrew, you could tell they already came up with the plan, on the way out of the door Chris asked Travis what was the plan and he kept silent because he knew the plan would basically kill everyone and didn't want to argue with Chris about it or look bad for doing it, out side Maddy asked Ofelia if they should warn the neighbors because she knew what they were going to do and Ofelia said F 'em they didn't help us.
At the gate Maddy flashes Daniel a look as if to say, yeah just leave the gate open like we planned.

All 4 of these people KNEW what they were doing, I think they planned on killing the military for what they were doing and killed their neighbors for not standing up to the military when they took their family.
The funny thing is, they didn't stand up to the military when they took the neighbor Doug so why should any of the neighbors help them?
These people are murdering, self serving, idiotic pricks.

 

[Ryan8bit]

I kind of wonder if these people will turn out to be villains? And I mean, more so than the type of person that Rick is... something in line with the Governor. That would at least be an interesting twist, although I don't think it's going to happen. This show is apparently a family drama first with the zombies second and societal collapse a very distant third.

I can't remember. Was there a moment in the series when we learned that the ZA was happening outside of LA as well?

We aren't privy to much of that. Kirkman has this idea that characters should be shielded from that kind of information. He wasn't fond of the CDC episode giving them such information, despite that it's logical for the characters to want to know. These characters are purposefully written in a non-inquisitive way to try and avoid the implausibility of a zombie apocalypse overturning society. In reality, most every adult would understand at least the disease is not local to just their city.

 

[yenny]

The gate was left open so the rest of the safezone population could leave if they choice to do so. But if they had shut the gate and Walkers had shown up later and broke in. Those people would had been trap which no way to get out.

Even though they didn't show it. I believe that Travis informed them of what going on and what they're planing to do. They might had ask them to help out in the rescue mission, which they refused to take part of. Leaving Travis group to do it on their own. Which almost end up being a disaster for them, but turned out to be a success, even though Liza gotten bitten.

 

[Scout101]

I'm still pretty hung up on not caring about the 2k zombies one way or the other. In fact, that they immediately crushed the army is kind of a problem. 18M+ people formerly living in LA area. if 2k people represents an unstoppable horde, how were they going to handle the other 8999 (roughly) versions of that same horde that should still be around? This group of zombies was a rounding error, yet they show the city empty/abandoned, and there's no real crush on the safe zones at any point. Where'd the other 18 million zombies go? Hell, be generous and assume 500k-1M got out. Still 17M zombies they should be worried about.

If they wanted to slow-roll this more, gotta pick some small city/town in the midwest somewhere, where you wouldn't get overrun within seconds. LA area is one of the (if not THE) most populous areas in the country; not a positive when everyone's a zombie.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

The gate was left open so the rest of the safezone population could leave if they choice to do so. But if they had shut the gate and Walkers had shown up later and broke in. Those people would had been trap which no way to get out.

Even though they didn't show it. I believe that Travis informed them of what going on and what they're planing to do. They might had ask them to help out in the rescue mission, which they refused to take part of. Leaving Travis group to do it on their own. Which almost end up being a disaster for them, but turned out to be a success, even though Liza gotten bitten.

With no more soldiers around to shoot them, why would anyone have any more trouble opening the gate than the main characters had?

Hell, if push comes to shove, they can always just run it over with a big truck. It wasn't that sturdy, anyway.

No, the only reason to leave the gate open is because they either wanted the others to be exposed or they just didn't care that the others would be exposed.